Tony

1. Who am I (name, sex, approx. age, where you live)


Tony

male, 64, Southeast US


2. My position in the relationship (submissive, dominant, or switch? If switch, do you favor one over the other?


submissive

3. What is your current marriage status and WLM/FLR situation (Married and in a WLM, not married and in a FLR, not married but seeking a FLR, etc.)? What is status of your WLM (Beginners, Mature, Somewhere in the middle)

 

I was married in a WLM until my wife passed away 5 months ago.


4.  When did you first discover your submissive/dominant desires?


15 years ago


5.  Describe how WLM/FLR was introduced into your relationship? Explain your experiences of how you went from discovering submission/domination up to the point of being in a WLM/FLR?

 

It was I that broached the subject after 5 years into our marriage.  But we had known each other 35 years by that point and best friends for 32.  My wife was a very capable person born during very patriarchal times and had to ‘swim upstream’ against the female bias.  She accomplished much in her life despite the headwinds she had to always deal with.  I, on the other hand, was always an alpha male and was willing to step aside to let her enjoy the role I was given as a birthright.  In 2005, I asked her to be my queen.  Without hesitation, she accepted and we began our slow journey into our WLM as we both needed to unlearn our own behaviors while learning each other’s.



6.  Describe your current WLM/FLR situation
    a.       Chores

It started out with me taking on the laundry and us splitting housecleaning approx. 50/50.  With a few years, all the chores became my responsibility except for cooking.  She was a great cook & wanted to keep it up.  Bu then, about 3 years ago, she passed that baton for preparing routine meals on to me and only cooked when she wanted to.


    b.       Finances/Money

By the end of our 2nd year of our WLM, I suggested she assume control of our finances.  While we were both very good at handling money, I was willing to cede control here.  Over the course of a year, our joint income continued to be deposited into our joint account, but my access was limited to using the debit card for grocery shopping.  Otherwise, I was not allowed to spend any of that money.  Instead, I received a $20-a-week allowance to spend as I wished.  Other than fueling our cars or buying cigarettes, I needed advance permission to use our any of credit cards.  She, on the other hand, did not need my permission on how our money was spent; though she did seek my opinion on larger expenditures.  My opinion wasn’t binding on her as final decision was always hers.  But she loved me enough ask my opinion and I don’t think she spent any major dollars unless I was in favor.  But she was free to spend money on clothes and other wants without ever asking for my opinion while I did not have that luxury.


    c.       Rules/Protocols

We didn’t have any established protocols and rules were not very detailed.  It was expected that she had control & authority over me.  I was to operate within that framework, and she could veto my choices when she felt I overstepped a line.  I didn’t need to regularly ask permission, so it took me a few years before I ‘learned’ what I was allowed and what I wasn’t.



    d.       Punishment and Discipline

This was not an area she was very comfortable with.  She did not want a parent-child relationship, so she would voice her disapproval & I was expected to honor her wishes.


    e.       Chastity/Orgasm Control

Early on, I needed her permission before I could orgasm.  In the bedroom, her pleasure always came before mine and my orgasm was always at the end of lovemaking.  In the beginning, she wasn’t comfortable with chastity & restricting my orgasms.  It took several years before she was comfortable with making love that ended without my orgasm.  Just before she was diagnosed with terminal cancer, she expressed a strong interest in learning about ruined orgasms and was considering the use of a chastity device on me.  Unfortunately, we never put those into action before she passed.


    f.        Rituals, Protocols, routines

We didn’t do much in this area other than there was a period of years where she would get a weekly 60-90 minute full-body massage followed by my giving her oral pleasure.  On these nights, there was no intercourse or any orgasm for me.


    g.       Fetishes or kinks

Nothing really here for us.  In the bedroom, she did not want to be the dominant one in bed.  

7.       How public is your WLM/FLR – do others know about it? How do you act in public?


Our WLM was never flaunted in front of others, but it was never really hidden either.  Family & friends knew by our actions that she was the lead spouse.  In public, we did not hide she was in charge, but we didn’t ‘advertise’ it either.


8.       Do you have kids in the house? If yes, what age group (infant, toddler, teenager, adult)


We had 2 teenagers in our home when our WLM started and they each recognized mom was in charge.


9.       Describe how the WLM/FLR works with kids in the house


Obviously, the sexual part of our WLM was not paraded in front of the children.  But, the outside-the-bedroom aspect was never hidden either.  The teenagers were her kids from a prior marriage; one a girl and 1 a boy.  My wife wanted her daughter raised to be self-sufficient & never be dependent on a man.


10.   What are some of challenges you face in your WLM/FLR?

 

I suppose the only challenge was the time it too to strengthen our WLM.  The unlearning of patriarchal

behaviors & having matriarchal ones seamlessly automatic in our daily lives took too long.  As I look back, I wish we had both considerably shortened the evolution of our WLM.

11.   What things do you like the most about your WLM/FLR?


I loved the fact that she had the chance to experience being the openly dominant one in our marriage before she left this world and I treasured having been her ‘traditional wife.’  Unfortunately, we didn’t get years and years of this together.  My only regret is that we were really just getting started with a very strong matriarchy when God took her.  


12.   How have things evolved or changed with you and as a couple in your WLM/FLR over time since starting the WLM/FLR? How does this compare to how you were prior to the WLM/FLR?


The evolution of our WLM was a gradual one as we both found our comfort zones before moving on with further matriarchal changes.  Prior to our WLM, we were fairly equal partners.  We rarely fought as this was my 2nd marriage & her 3rd and we found common ground so as not to repeat behaviors unhealthy to a great marriage.



13.   If there were one or two things you could change about your WLM/FLR or one or two things new you would like to try, what would they be?

 

I would have loved to elevate our WLM on a much shorter timeline so we could have experienced so much more of it.  We both enjoyed our respective roles, but it took longer than I liked to undo to imprint society put on us as youths.  We had so much ‘automatic’ patriarchal values to undo.  I’d even put these in the category of ‘had habits.’


14.   Do you have any advice for others who are starting out in a WLM/FLR?


Don’t worry about what others think.  Live the life you both want because you never know how long you’ll have each other.  WE are born into this world with nothing and leave with only our memories.  So, while it’s important & quite desirable to have a comfortable life, don’t sweat the small stuff.  Truly enjoy the time you have together and if you’re in a bad relationship, don’t stay there indefinitely.  Life is too short.  A WLM is not for every person…some women may be better suited as the submissive and some men as the dominant.  So, be true to who you are and not waste time being who you aren’t.


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10 comments:

  1. I am so sorry that you have lost the love of your life. Your story is much like mine. We came to a WLM late in life and I have always wished we would have started in our twenties. We also evolved very slowly, but my wife became more and more confident and now rules with a loving, but iron fist. We have been together over 40 years and have known each other since we were kids. Like your wife she has passed down her dominate knowledge to the next generation, which is a little embarrassing to know my daughter knows I am submissive to her Mother, but this was not my decision. No decisions are mine anymore unless they are assigned to me. Again so sorry for your loss.- Alan

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  2. WLM is a long journey. It is not something that you just flip a switch and it happens. Both husband and wife have to learn new habits and ways of thinking. Even when you know what needs to be done, it's not always easy to apply it. It's like learning a new sport. A coach can tell you the right way to swing a bat but it's going to take lot's or practice and coaching before you get it right and build your confidence when you get in front of a pitcher. WLM is a life changing experience that makes both individuals stronger and the marriage even stronger. As much as we want to rush the process, in my opinion, the slow evolving WLMs are the most successful and fulfilling because you grow together as a couple. I do wish more people would discover the joy of WLM early in life, which is why I started my blog.

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  3. Tony and Alan - I am curious as to how your kids were informed about your WLM. I have two teenagers who were born after we started our WLM so our WLM is normal to them but I've never told them that I am in charge of Dad and Dad is submissive. They also do not know that he gets punished, has specific rules he must follow, wears panties, etc. I am also curious about how much your kids know and how do you feel about it/would you prefer that it be different. If you have a daughter does she have any authority over you? Thanks.

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    1. I have 2 daughters and my wife a daughter & a son. This was my 2nd marriage & her third so we never had kids of our own. Her daughter was well aware that Mommy was in charge of our home & her son to a much lesser degree. If my two were aware, they never led on & since it didn't affect our interactions with them, I assume they were fine with it. Both of my daughters are married; one seems to have a more traditional marriage; though one never really seems to know what goes on behind the scene. The other is the breadwinner & her husband; though college-educated & very capable in his field, is a househusband. Going forward, I believe this arrangement will become more common.
      In my twenties, I was quite the chauvinistic one so there's no way that would have worked for me. But now, many moons later, I'd be just fine with it; provided we could live comfortably on one income. Otherwise, I'd be also fine as a househusband with a career. But, not all women are capable of being the leader... as is true with some men. It all comes down to the abilities of the person. My wife was an amazing leader; loving but firm when necessary.

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  4. I don’t know how much my daughter knows. After she had her first child she would often call and complain to her Mother about the lack of help she was getting from her husband with housework and the baby. After several calls one night I was listening in to one of these calls as I was finishing up the dishes. I heard Sarah say “ you know there is a cure for this”. At this point she covered the phone with her hand and said “ Alan go in the living room, shut the door, and turn on the TV”. The conversation went on out of my earshot for an other 45 minutes.
    The next time we were at her house her husband was picking up their child at daycare, giving him his bath, and getting him ready for bed, all while she sat on the couch and visited with us. Often she would tell him to do something and he was very quick with a “yes dear”. Believe me I recognize the behavior of a man being denied.
    I’m not sure how much of our relationship she reviewed, but I do know my daughter has taken over the money. She obviously did not want me to know, so I know better than to ask. I am not submissive to my daughter, nor am I submissive to my wife in front of our children. Thanks for asking-Alan

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    1. HA! I love that story Alan! My daughter is very spoiled because of all the things my husband does for so I suspect that when she marries she will expect the same of her husband. It would not surprise, if in the future, I end up in the same scenario as your wife and your daughter. How did it make you feel being sent to the room, knowing that your wife was going to talk about how she is in charge of you? Thanks so much for sharing.

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  5. To be honest I felt like a child being sent to their room while the adults talk. I thought it was a breach of trust that she didn’t discuss it with me even though I know in the end it would have been her decision. She has become more emboldened in making decision without my input since she has assumed complete control. Since it is my belief that WLM is the best way to live I of course would want my daughter to have this life. It appears my son in law has at least a bit of a submissive streak, so I guess this was the only way to introduce the concept to her.
    There is a bit of humiliation that goes along with this dynamic, which is very appealing to a submissive man. As it becomes more and more common for them to discuss this I assume more and more details will be revealed. To be honest the last year has been a whirlwind of change in our marriage and I couldn’t be happier.
    Just curious, if you do some day have this conversation with your daughter would you discuss it with Thomas? Love your blog- Alan

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  6. Alan - from the way you described it, it sounded like in the moment your wife felt that the best decision was to tell your daughter about WLM. As leader of the WLM it is her decision to make and she does not need to confer with you so I do not see it as a breach of trust. Part of what you give up, being the submissive, is that you do not always get to weigh in on decisions. You have to trust that she is doing what is best. It is hard for me to say now, whether or not I would discuss it with Thomas. A mother and daughter have a special bond and share a lot with each other and so I could see myself discussing my WLM with my daughter without first conferring with Thomas. However, I would let him know afterward what we discussed. I think it's fair that he understands what I shared but I do not need his approval to discuss it with her.

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  7. Deep down I know your right. After thinking about it she was probably more concerned about my daughters privacy. I know that part of her being the dominate is treating me like a submissive. I would not ever hold that against her. I think I just got my feelings hurt. I will wait and if I need to know something she will tell me. If I end up being submissive to my daughter then so be it. Kathy's husband over at 101 seems to get along just fine being submissive to both.
    Thank you for helping me work this out. It so nice to have a forum to discuss this lifestyle. Take care-Alan

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  8. Just to up date on this. I finally worked up the courage to ask my wife what she discussed with my daughter. She said I told her "all men need to be trained". She said " lets just say our son in-law is in introductory training and she is delighted with the results so far". I got an answer much like you gave, Mz Kaylee, when I asked about her discussing this with me. She basically told me that even though I have an obligation to be open and honest with her she has no such obligation. I was told point blank that this was the last discussion we would have on this subject and I was not to ask about it again. When I asked about my submission to my daughter she said "you should respect her authority as you respect mine". So I guess I need to change my answer. Yes, I will end up being submissive to my daughter at some point. It blows my mind to think that the men in my family from this point on will be living under the rule of their wife. Thanks for listening-Alan

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