To refresh, here is what was asked: "If you could have things any way you want in your FLR, what would be the top 5 - 10 things you would incorporate in your FLR? Please answer honestly without consideration of your current situation. In other words what is your ideal or fantasy FLR? "
I categorized the responses into common categories. There were 14 categories that had multiple responses associated with them. The chart below highlights these categories broken out further between male and female. I color coded them so that you can easily find the match between male responses and female responses. Text that is highlighted in red indicates that there was no matching response. Next to each response, I indicated the percentage of people who had at least one response that fell into the category.
What is fascinating is that none of the categories that had the highest response rate for females had high response rates for males or visa versa. In most cases, categories that were ranked high for one sex were ranked low or not ranked at all by the opposite sex. For females, the top responses are focused on the male doing things for the female and being obedient to her. For males, the most popular categories are focused on the male being disciplined, punished, and being controlled.There is some correlation between the two groups, but they are clearly very different perspectives. The female perspective has an underlying tone of the male doing things for the female out of obedience and to please the female, whereas the male perspective has an underlying tone of servitude and wanting to feel controlled and held accountable as a means to obeying the female.
With the differences highlighted by the above chart, one can understand why it is common for people to struggle to find the right balance in a FLR. This exercise demonstrates that for many people, there are clearly two different forces and motives at play in the FLR.
On the positive side there are commonalities between the female and male responses. In the Medium section of the table (categories with 20% - 30% of responses), orgasm control and oral sex/facesitting were identified by both male and female. In addition, 25% of the female responses fell within the category "Increase control/strict/dominant attitude," which was a category that fell within the High response rate of males. Perhaps these are the things that should be focused on early in the relationship since both the male and female find these important or appealing. I have no problem with more oral sex!
In my own personal experiences and research, orgasm control is a very common and prominent theme in femdom and FLR and so it is no surprise to see that it was ranked similarly for men and women. Men also emphasized more teasing as being important, which I broke out into a separate category. One could make the case that the teasing is part of orgasm control and so if you group them together, it brings the female and male response rate even closer. I chose to separate Teasing from Orgasm Control in the chart because only males emphasized the teasing, whereas the female responses were about controlling when and how the male orgasmed. I thought this was an important distinction.
Understanding the different perspectives between female and male when it comes to FLR is a powerful step toward achieving a happy and successful FLR. Every couple is different and so it is also important to go even deeper and understand the differences in desires between you and your partner as you embark on your FLR. Once you understand these differences, what can you do? Below are some thoughts.
For the husband who is trying to introduce his wife to FLR:
Identify those things that she loves and focus on providing those things to her, without her having to ask. For example, offer to take on chores, offer to massage her, bathe her, or buy her a gift certificate for a manicure/pedicure. Don't do it just once and don't expect anything in return at first. Treat her like a Goddess for a few weeks and then start to discuss your desires with her. Trust me, she is going to eventually know something is going on, but she is going to be more open to the suggestion of her taking the reigns of the marriage if it means all the good things are going to continue for her.
For the wife who is struggling for figure out FLR:
Recognize that everything in the "Male" column in the above chart is a motivator for him. The items in the "High" category are the strong motivators. These are all tools that you should use to keep him motivated to be obedient to you. These are actions that make him happy and excited to obey and serve you. I have said this before and I will say it over and over again because it is so very important to the FLR: Submissive men need to be controlled and they crave to be controlled and dominated. It sounds crazy, but discipline and strictness motivate men to serve and obey you. Giving them rules to follow and then walking away and expecting them to follow them without further attention is not going work. You may get immediate results, but to keep him obedient and happily serving you, you need to proactively invest time into exerting your dominance and control over him on an ongoing basis.
The secret is to actively apply his motivators to get him to do what you want (all the things in the Female High Category).
For the experienced FLR wife:
Do not lose site of his motivators. Believe it or not, even a FLR can become vanilla over time. A well trained husband is rarely punished and may not need as much discipline. There is less need for you to be strict because he has been trained to do everything the way you want. However, your strictness and dominance is still a motivator for him and will always excite him and keep him happy. Apply your strictness in the bedroom to keep the spark going. Find new ways to train him so that he still feels your control, and when punishments are non-existent, replace them with rewards. A seductive teasing, sensual spanking, or night of complete dominance can be great rewards for the submissive male.
For the everyday submissive male:
Understand the top desires of your wife (Female, High categories). This is what makes her happy. Focus on these things. Plan a day of pampering for your wife, do chores without being told, and treat her like a Goddess everyday. Go out of your way to make her happy. Recognize that her being strict and dominant to you is not always what she wants and the she is often doing these things for you. When she does these things, thank her and tell her how much you appreciate that she is helping you to live out your fantasy.
These were the observations that I came up with based on your responses. Please share your thoughts. Do you think you fit in with the chart above? Do you agree with my insights or do you see something different or additional in the responses?
There were several responses that did not fit into the above categories. I will share these in my next post and I will also put together a chart that shows some of the different responses that were grouped into each category.
-MzKaylee
Wow! THis is fascinating. So clearly points out the interests based upon gender. Just like any good relationship, it requires continued effort from both partners. Key word: partners. Working together.
ReplyDeleteThis is definitely interesting, especially how the swap/inverse rank of the top and bottom attributes rank. But, lends some validation that men are typically more focused on the fetish aspect of an FLR. While, as a man, I have/started my journey with more focus on the fetish aspects (possibly topping from the bottom) I am much more aligned with the female high responses.
ReplyDeleteSo, to your point, there definitely needs to be clarity and alignment at the start of and through any FLR, and of course the male should be open/receptive to evolve to a point where it truly is about pleasing her, focusing on her actual wants and desires and his being secondary, tertiary, etc. in importance.
Well said. Women also need to understand the male motivators and use them in the FLR. If men are the only ones in the relationship that evolve, the FLR will struggle.
DeleteThank you very much for this excellent study. Yes, women and men are different, the dominant and the dominated are different. But this is accentuated by your question: "What's your ideal FLR?" The question could have been "ideally, what would you like to do for your partner?"
ReplyDeleteThe answers would have been different.
Your study shows that dominants like to be obeyed and served, this reinforces their position and subs like to be reassured and comforted in their position. For this they need attention, rules, punishments, controls, excitement, pleasure ... and love.
I love your blog, thank you.
Michel
The purpose of my question was to get to the core motivators and desires of each person. If you are not getting what you want/need then you are not going to be happy in the long term. What you want to do for the other person is secondary to satisfying your own needs and desires. It is a myth that the guys needs/desires are not important in a FLR
DeleteI totally agree with you. Everyone, women and men, dominant and sub must nurture their desire for a relationship to last. And for a long life et FLR, like in other couple, everyone must take into account the desire of the other.
ReplyDeletemichel
This post and study triggered some really good discussions between my wife and I. I’ve thought of behaviors I need to improve to be closer to her totally obedient husband. She is getting the idea that her exerting more control is better for our marriage. I’m sure we’ll be closer and evolve further. Thank you for your thought, time and effort Mz Kaylee. You do make a difference.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many women commented. I also usually like to perform services for a dominant but get few to no replies when I post a personal.
ReplyDeleteWhen I think about results I have to think over, why women are in FLR. Women wants romantic and men wants kink. And when woman are dominant, they would get what they want, but they want something, what is oposite of dominating their husband. Woman wants unconditional obedience, love, respect and men wants increase control, strictness and to be held accountabe. This things goes against each other. Women, what is in FLR for you so interesting, that you play this game, which is going against your feelings and needs? Do you "only" want to please your husband? I am thinking about this because I wants help my wife feel more comfortable In hers role.
ReplyDeleteThe trick is to find a happy medium. If both parters understand what the other desires and they each work towards making the other person happy, it all works at. That truly is what a relationship/marriage is about. If all you care about are your own desires..well then you probably will never have a good relationship with someone.
Delete(Continue-sorry I do not know If comment is unabridged) ... Women, what is in FLR for you so interesting, that you play this game, which is going against your feelings and needs? Do you "only" want to please your husband? I am thinking about this because I wants help my wife feel more comfortable In hers role.
ReplyDeleteAs an unpartnered submissive man I have a question about sex on her terms, what exactly does it mean and how often, oral sex, intercourse, other? Men often want more frequency than women so does on her terms mean less sex?
ReplyDeleteIt depends on the woman, but yes, it could mean less sex. For some women it could mean more sex or doing sex differently. For example, some of my terms are that I am always on top during sex, he is not allowed to thrust unless given permission, and he is not allowed to orgasm unless given permission. He can try to initiatve sex or foreplay but it is up to me if it happens. He follow my lead during sex.
ReplyDeleteIt was meant to be more of a question about he said she said, the same thing meaning different things to the man or woman. Sex on her terms is not really clear to me at least. Obviously people change and things they want change over time. The biggest thing I don't think women get is that men will work hard to try and take care of their families but women don't see it is for them.
ReplyDeleteSorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say. I am also confused at how sex on her terms has anything to do with men working hard to take care of their families? They are two completely different topics.
ReplyDeleteI know, Sex on her terms to me means really that the woman wants sex her way but often which isn't necessarily the case.
ReplyDeleteWhat are the terms? They vary from woman to woman, man to man. Its open ended.
Men working hard to take care of their families is something I don't think men get credit for in women's eyes. I just don't maybe it is appreciated but often it seems like it isn't and the man is taken for granted.
And the connection is just like he said she said the non verbal actions men do are not understood by women.