Friday, February 18, 2022

Punishment Can Arouse - and Still Work (Guest Post by Trina)

Let me start by saying that It has been great to see an increase in comments on the blog and that there are new people commenting and more Females engaging in the conversations. I hope the activity in the comments continues to grow. Whether you are new to WLM or experienced, I encourage you to comment and share your experiences, questions or thoughts. The discussions in the comments often lead to great insights and ideas that others can apply to their own relationship. Hearing from others also helps to validate that WLM is real, is beneficial, and that you are not alone in your quest. Thank you all for your continued engagement.

Having said all that, I am very pleased to publish another post from a Female. In this post Trina, addresses an issue that I am sure many women new to WLM struggle with - "why punish if he gets aroused by it?" It is something that I questioned early in my relationship. A post like this would have helped me many years ago. Thank you Trina for sharing your insights and advice on this important topic. -Mz Kaylee


Punishment Can Arouse – and Still Work

By Trina

My husband is a spanko, so he loves everything about getting spanked except the severe pain during the spanking itself. And yet I effectively use spanking as a punishment, even though he is aroused immediately beforehand and soon afterwards – and he is aroused when he thinks about an upcoming punishment or one that has happened, either recently or long ago. 

Like most dominant wives, I initially believed that punishment needed to be completely separate from sexual activities or feelings, and I tried hard to make that happen. After all, if it turned him on to be punished, wouldn’t he act out on purpose in order to receive punishment? And wouldn’t that negatively impact our WLM/FLR? It certainly would seem so. But as I will explain, that has not turned out to be the case.

As a lifelong spanko, my husband had one basic need when we were dating and deciding whether to have a serious relationship: Spanking needed to be a regular part of any relationship for him. As a switch, he didn’t much care if he was the spanker or the spankee, as long as somebody went over somebody’s knee at least once a week. As a divorcee who had lived a vanilla life, I knew that I wanted to be dominant and use spanking to keep my husband in line. So I told him (and showed him) that I was going to be the spanker and he would need to be satisfied with that. I also told him that the spankings would not be play; they would be real punishment and I would expect them to work in terms of improving his behavior.

I was fearful that he would enjoy my punishment spankings, so I took steps to prevent that: I spanked him severely, to the point that only a true masochist could enjoy it. I forbid any sexual activity after a spanking. I stayed fully dressed during his spankings. I bared his bottom but did not let him be naked. I refused to spank him in our bedroom. I sometimes made him masturbate to completion beforehand so he couldn’t get an erection during the spankings and so the spankings would be more painful.

None of this worked. When I announced a spanking, he would have an instant erection. Yes, I would “spank him soft,” and he definitely would not be enjoying the punishment. But afterwards? He would be hard very soon and he would want to service me orally, which I wanted too but was refusing him in order to try to keep the punishment separate from sex.

At the same time, the punishments improved his behavior. Whatever I spanked him for, he made a renewed effort to obey my wishes. And he was not misbehaving on purpose in order to get punished. This seemed extremely paradoxical to me: How can spanking work as punishment when you love it so much? Punishment is something you should want to avoid, and that desire to avoid it is what improves your behavior. That is reasonable and logical … but not how my submissive male’s mind works.

At first he couldn’t really explain it when I tried to talk to him about it. He would just say, “I’m a spanko, I believe I was born a spanko, I’ve always been one and I will always be one, and that’s all I know.” But as we continued talking about it and I continued thinking about it, a glimmer of understanding began in my mind – helped by his response to other punishments and by our new program of orgasm denial.

As a spanko, he definitely did not care for other punishments: corner time, writing lines, forbidden to watch sports on TV, going to bed early, not sharing my bed, and the one he hates most: being grounded from going out with his buddies. And yet, when I announced any of these punishments he got the beginning of an erection, which he sometimes maintained during the punishment itself. Even when I did the thing he hates absolutely the most – made him call his buddies and tell them that his wife would not allow him to join them (as I listened and giggled) – he often would be hard throughout the phone call!

This was also demonstrated when we started a program of orgasm control. I had not planned on orgasm denial in my marriage. I quite enjoy sexual intercourse (PIV), and particularly mutual orgasm (on the rare occasions when it happened). I never wanted to give that up, and I had begun training him to try to wait for me and then to orgasm with me. He actually was quite good at lasting a long time. His issue was not coming too fast but that sometimes he had trouble maintaining his erection. That was a bit surprising to me for a man in his 30s (at the time) who claimed to find me so arousing. Then I found out why: He was looking at spanking porn and masturbating regularly! Even though I was spanking him weekly as he desired!

That infuriated me. I was deeply offended. He promised to stop, but he would always go back to it. It was truly an addiction, one that he had had since a teenager, and even getting regular spankings wasn’t enough to stop it. I told him it had to change. Eventually he suggested a chastity cage to me. I love his cock and didn’t want it locked away. But I agreed to try it.

Of course it worked for masturbation control. Without the ability to touch himself, he didn’t much care for looking at porn, either. Then we began to notice what many other wives on here have noticed: He enjoyed having his orgasms restricted, especially when I would tease and deny him. Since I have always liked playing with his cock, this became a mutual pleasure. Now I play with him quite regularly in the evenings when he is doing chores for me. I love getting him hard, then sending him off to do a chore, and then when he has to report for inspection seeing if he is still hard. I consider it a compliment to me that he is so aroused by my dominance that he can stay hard throughout a chore! Like other men on here, he says that being teased and denied and allowed very few orgasms is actually better sex than we he came whenever he wanted. A paradox … but one that is clearly proven by the behavior of our submissive husbands!

So, I finally realized a similar paradox: that punishment improved his behavior even though he was aroused by it. I saw that he was very aroused by me scolding him and issuing punishments – by me being dominant and “forcing” him to be submissive. So it wasn’t just spanking that turned him on; it was being controlled by a dominant wife. But that did not mean that the punishments were ineffective. On the contrary, the more I bossed him around, the more obedient he became. There was no way that he was not going to be turned on by punishment and my dominance. So why should I expect that?

It has taken me a while, but I actually have come to the conclusion that arousal can enhance the impact of punishment in terms of improving behavior. I know that may be a controversial conclusion that is different from many wife-led marriages, and I hope that other women will comment.
Trina

 

36 comments:

  1. Trina wrote: “So it wasn’t just spanking that turned him on; it was being controlled by a dominant wife. But that did not mean that the punishments were ineffective. On the contrary, the more I bossed him around, the more obedient he became.”

    Brilliantly expressed! Your essay is really a breath of fresh air to the many male spanko’s out there who seek feminine authority in their relationships but need spanking to keep it working.

    Yes spanking is a fetish but it also functions to modify behavior and motivate a make to obedience and submission. I believe the apparent paradox stems from the fact that it is really the exercise of female authority that a particular kind of male needs –and real spanking is simply one very powerful way of expressing that authority( if anyone is interested going more into depth with this , some very good discussions go on over at Dan’s Disciplinary Couples Club)

    Apparently some males are very comfortable in female led relationships where spanking is not used or used very seldom. But there are many other males like myself and apparently your husband for which spanking or the credible threat of it is a sine qua no in making female led DD work I think many of these men are what might be referred to in the larger world as Alpha males. They want to be mastered by a female but they want that female to be strong enough and care enough to administer corporal punishment when it is appropriate or needed

    One small whine if I may: many of the femdom blogs ignore these males and the spankings they need - perhaps because we are harder to control and perhaps because the wife or girlfriend in the relationship is uncomfortable with spanking
    In any case I congratulate you for figuring this out and for giving your guy what he needs to make both of you happy. I hope more women read and think about what you have written
    Alan

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  2. Love this post! It clarifies that behavior can change for good even if there is pleasure. It's good that we have many warnings about 'topping from bottom' and playing to the sub's kinks, and Ms. Trina was on top of it as She ensured Her sub wasn't behaving bad just to be 'punished'.

    i think the determination to behave well is the key, and the punishment or pleasure are reinforcers. i clearly remember growing on my sub behavior but dropping it after sex. But when clearly noticing, i tried to avoid it by promising and being SO thankful and motivated that the next day i effectively behaved my best, even with a low sex desire. The desire quickly came back and i was back to my high level of submission helped by that desire. But after the cycle repeated enough times, i felt the permanent behavior of high submission has been achieved.

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  3. I get absolutely no pleasure in having my bottom smacked and my wife gets no pleasure from doing it. Indeed it is the one aspect of a WLM she really struggles with as she does not like inflicting pain. We do it because it does enhance my obedience and the moments before and after can be quite tender. It is now mostly done in the environment of my weekly review. Generally I am very good and obedient and can go for weeks without my bottom being smacked!

    May I also say Mz Kaylee, thank you for this blog and especially for giving the women the platform.

    Sissy Jenna

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  4. Although I would of course accept any punishment my wife believed fitting, she does not use corporal punishment, and actually generally favors the use of rewards for continued compliance or exceptional behavior. I will say this, though, I find no arousal in her disapproval or disappointment with me. I only want to please her.

    In contrast, I will become erect when she is strict and demanding with me, for example while she is detailing a list of chores to be completed. She finds this both fascinating and amusing, and now requires me to tell her if I am getting hard while she is talking to me. Knowing this might happen (if I get an erection I’ll have to tell her and probably show her) makes it even more likely to occur, so I most often find myself unable to stop “it” from growing when she is instructing me.

    What Trina is describing makes perfect sense to me because my motivation is to please my wife. I suspect that Tony wants that most of all as well. It is being controlled (and loved) by a powerful and dominant woman that we submissive men want most of all. Even though I don’t get spanked, I love Trina’s post. It shows an amazing understanding of her husband’s submissive psyche. Edwin

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  5. Great post - this paradox is at the core of many FLRs, it seems.

    My wife has grown quite comfortable using orgasm control and spanking to manage me in our FLR. Meanwhile I'm consistently aroused by the idea of punishment, by the denial of my orgasms, and by the no-nonsense assignment of chores.

    I want to be in a FLR / DD relationship. I want to be the best husband I can be. Punishment has definitely improved my behavior around the house, and I want all of that to continue. To 'act out on purpose' would put all that at risk.

    CK

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  6. Hi Trina,
    I have been in a domestic discipline relationship with my boyfriend and now husband for almost 14 years. I agree with your philosophy about spanking and have seen its results. I had boyfriends before meeting my husband who were submissive and I did not need to spank them regularly. But if I don’t spank him regularly he gets out of control. So there are different kinds of submissives and you have to manage them differently. One thing I also emphasize these days is orgasm control or what I like to call controlling his cock. That tends to make him more obedient and easier to spank when I need to do so. I really don’t understand why some men need to be spanked to behave and others behave without being spanked at all or very often. It might make a good blog topic. Maybe it’s like kids. I grew up with four brothers and two of them probably spent half their lives with the pants down for one thing or another while my other brothers almost never got spanked
    Darlene

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    1. I agree with you, Darlene, that it's hard to figure. Tony gets terribly out of sorts if he doesn't get his weekly spanking. He can't explain it, either, and doesn't try anymore. He says, "If you can be born gay, you can be born spanko. Someday they will find the gene."

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    2. Trina,
      I don’t use regular maintenance spanking but try to deal with his behavior problems when they come up and always let him know they will be dealt with. I don’t really mind doing it and it can reduce the stress he causes. I don’t know why he needs it but I know that it works. We both get what we want and that’s what marriage is a lot about
      Darlene
      Ps I hope you write more I think we all need to talk about this more and not pretend male disciplinary problems don’t exist even in flr relationships

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  7. I have found myself many times across my wife's lap or bent over the bed. Almost always it begins with me quite erect but ends with me soft and shriveled.

    I do find myself aroused thinking about a spanking that is getting ready to happen, even aroused in the beginning of a spanking, and aroused thinking about spankings I have had. However, when the spanking gets heated up there there is no arousal and I wish that it wasn't happening. A true spanking for disobedience does modify my behavior.

    For me it is also the dominance of my wife that can arouse me but not like punishment does.

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  8. My husband is the same, except 10 minutes after the spanking the erection comes back!

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  9. "I believe the apparent paradox stems from the fact that it is really the exercise of female authority that a particular kind of male needs –and real spanking is simply one very powerful way of expressing that authority." - This observation hits the nail on the head for me. I am not a masochist, I don't enjoy pain, and I don't get aroused by it. And I genuinely try to behave well without needing to be punished. I am not the kind of person who tests my limits and tries to get away with things or tries to be a "brat" in order to provoke a spanking. For me, I crave the clear, strong demonstration of female authority in multiple ways. Her authoritative tone of voice, her use of orders rather than requests at times, her intentional control of my orgasms and other privileges, and yes, her use of punishments to correct my failings, all help me feel her control, her dominance, and fuel my submission.

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  10. Excellent post, Trina. And here I was thinking I was the only one whose wife made him call his friends to tell them he can't join them for outings when grounding him. Only difference is I have to actually tell them that it's because I'm grounded and I have to use the word. Do you make him tell his friends the same or do you allow him to come up with an alternative excuse? My wife made it clear to me that a spanking would follow if I tried lying about it (She also stands and watched while I make the calls) and that she would tell them herself.

    - Trent

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    1. Trent,
      When he has been grounded, tony must tell his friends that. Sometimes I just say no because he has other things to do, like attend to me, or because he hasn't saved the money for the cost of the outing, in which case he tells his friends "my wife said no." Since he misses about half the outings, his friends are now used to hearing this, and they continue to tease him about being "pussy-whipped." On the other hand, most of them have heard from their wives, "Why can't you be more like Tony." So he still has status with them!

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  11. Great post Trina.
    The paradox is really pretty simple. A Punishment spanking does of course hurt but it is physical and brief and leaves a submissive feeling loved and accepted . Tolerating bad behavior or using less physical means of punishment can make a submissive feel ignored and rejected …….this is much worse .

    Take care
    John Dalton

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  12. I introduced husband to spanking, chastity and feminization when he was still my boyfriend. He doesn't like chastity or spanking. I introduced feminization first, so he gets a reaction like Pavlov's dog to it. He gets aroused because he associates it with sex, even though he has special dresses and underwear for discipline so he knows he's going to be spanked.

    He usually ejaculates at least twice when he's across my lap. I admit I'm guilty of making him do it, usually, since when I pull down his panties and he gets across my lap, I grip his penis with my thighs. It prolongs the disciplinary session, as we start again if he ejaculates, plus he gets punished for doing that and has to eat it.

    Even so, spanking, chastity and humbling have corrected a lot of his unacceptable behavior or kept it to a minimum. I haven't had to separate discipline from anything sexual to make it effective. He doesn't like chastity or being spanked, but he submits to it for me.

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  13. Trina,
    "It has taken me a while, but I actually have come to the conclusion that arousal can enhance the impact of punishment in terms of improving behavior."
    I agree with this. I softened how hard I punished my husband when we were a few years into our WLM. I was tough and spanked him hard. Once, when he seriously misbehaved, I handcuffed him to the pole in my closet for the night. He could have easily escaped if there was an emergency but he was in no danger and KNEW if he broke free for any other reason there would be very serious consequences. I got up to use the bathroom and felt sorry for him. I released him so he could use the bathroom and when he returned I handcuffed him again. While he was in the bath I rolled a chair from our office into the closet so he could sit. I found him cuffed and asleep in the chair leaning against the wall. He NEVER repeated what he had done again, but it was too much. Much of this is a combination of reality and fantasy in my opinion. I don't want to hurt him. Now I find a disciplinary ceremony twice a month works better. It satisfies his craving for kink and makes his behavior wonderful because he knows I'm in charge. I announce when I will discipline him in advance. He showers, shaves and wears whatever punishment clothing I leave out (red babydolls mean he is in trouble). He started shaving his head a few years ago when he couldn't hide is baldness, so I also require his head to be smooth for discipline. Some lecturing and a few hards swats of a paddle and it's over. He worships my rear when discipline is over and he does not get an orgasm during discipline. Since Phil will only be getting three or four orgasms for the year, I'm going to make sure discipline does not result in an unauthorized orgasm. This works great for us and my husband tells me he's never been happier.
    Joan

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  14. Perhaps it's surprising to some that sexually arousing punishment can modify behavior because they are looking at the whole dynamic too narrowly. I know for myself, and I suspect this is the case for a sizable percentage of other spanking fetishists, a big part of the attraction has to do with aspects like intimacy, vulnerability and exposure. These aren't entirely separate from sexual arousal and general submissiveness, and they are not identical. They overlap.

    Like a lot of other fetishists I could see myself accepting discipline in ways that arouse me and refusing it in ways that don't. And when it's pointed out that these "punishments" are catering to the submissive's sexual fetish I have to concede the point. It's fair to call it fetish driven, but I think it's more accurate to say driven by the desire for intimacy, wanting a partner to know about this side of me and if willing, engage with it.

    One way to think about how behavior modification might work is that these spankings are in a sense positive reinforcement. And I don't mean that in the sense of them rewarding undesired behavior. But that these spankings are expressions of dominance which makes them rewards to someone desiring a powerful partner, an authority figure that will in some sense hold them accountable, expose their vulnerability to spanking (vulnerability in the sense that it can bring feelings of shame if not tears) and then accept them as they are. It's a potent mix and I think there's more here than just a fetish fix that could be served by a dominatrix. If this is positive reinforcement, what's being reinforced? Attraction to the dominant partner which brings with it a desire to please. And so you have behavior modification through a punishment that is the object of a sexual fetish.

    Not saying this is how it is for everybody. It surely isn't. But I think it could describe what's going on in some of the relationships where erotic punishments are working.

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  15. Though I'm rarely disciplined anymore, when I was this used to drive my wife crazy, as she felt any arousal on my part undermined her authority as well as our power dynamic. How can it can be a punishment if your dick is hard, she'd ask me?

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    1. Tim,
      That erection means you are erotically excited by her taking control and the power exchange it signals, not actually being spanked. If being spanked itself was so erotic, why does an erection almost inevitably disappears a few smacks into a real spanking?

      Authority is the turn on, not spanking and Trina is absolutely right about that. It is her exercising authority that turns you on, not the spanking itself and you should try to explain this to your wife. It isn’t easy or intuitive for a non spanko to understand the dynamic but she will understand it if you work to explain it to her and this is not easy for some men to do.

      As Trina is pointing out, a woman can definitely both punish and modify a spankos behavior with spanking --if it takes him past the point he begs her to stop –and if she is consistent in using that level of spanking to discipline him. Trina is spot on about that. There is a lot of misinformation about this that can be very harmful to a couple trying to establish a female led relationship and anyone interested in female led DD should try to correct that misinformation
      Alan

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  16. A very good post and some good replies. Here are my thoughts. Unlike Jenna, I do get pleasure in having my bottom smacked and my girlfriend gets pleasure in smacking it! For this reason, she was skeptical when I suggested she use spanking as a punishment to keep me in line. I figured she was right and didn't bring up the subject again.

    Then, a year or two later, we had a disagreement. It was a Sunday. I usually do the cooking on Sundays and she wanted me to start, but I was not feeling very hungry and wanted to wait. We argued for a few minutes, then she said "You are beginning to annoy me, bend over!" After a moment's hesitation I obeyed. It was a warm day and I was wearing just my underpants. She took a paddle and gave me about ten moderately hard smacks on them, I then went to the kitchen to start cooking.

    The spanking thus achieved its aim, but it was not the pain that did it. It hurt a lot less than some fun spankings she has given me. I think Alan is right on this point when he says "it is really the exercise of female authority that a particular kind of male needs – and real spanking is simply one very powerful way of expressing that authority."

    When my girlfriend tells me to do something in a firm voice, I find it exciting and am inclined to obey her. I was excited when she told me to bend over and I was excited when I felt the paddle impacting on my bottom. I was still excited when I was doing the cooking. It was not a boring chore, it was an act of submission to my girlfriend's dominance.

    Jon

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  17. Tim wrote: “How can it can be a punishment if your dick is hard," she'd ask me?

    That erection means you are erotically excited by her taking control and the power exchange it signals, not actually being spanked. If being spanked itself was so erotic, why does an erection almost inevitably disappears a few smacks into a real spanking?

    Authority is the turn on, not spanking and Trina is absolutely right about that. It is her exercising authority that turns you on, not the spanking itself and you should try to explain this to your wife. It isn’t easy or intuitive for a non spanko to understand the dynamic but she will understand it if you work to explain it to her and this is not easy for some men.

    As Trina is pointing out, a woman can definitely both punish and modify a spankos behavior with spanking --if it takes him past the point he begs her to stop –and if she is consistent in using that level of spanking to discipline him. Trina is spot on about that.

    There is a lot of misinformation about this that can be very harmful to a couple trying to establish a female led relationship and anyone interested in female led DD should try to correct that misinformation

    Alan

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  18. For me corporal punishment was not effective, and if it was happening to me as a means of changing behavior it had the opposite effect. This of course was because it wasn't actually a punishment for me. I wrote a guest post on this matter August 20, 2021. The punishments that change behavior are ones that cause embarrassment in front of others, or hold the possibility of it. I've written about some of the ones my wife has used before. One was the time she dyed my pubic hair bright green, and then re-did it six weeks later. For months I had to be extremely careful where I work, that I double checked EVERY time wasn't leaving anything behind when I used the bathroom at work.

    So a punishment that I am looking forward to in my case is not a punishment for me.

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  19. Tim and Edward
    I believed the same but eventually realized that with my husband arousing punishments could work!
    Trina

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  20. Excellent post and wonderful discussion on a complex topic. A must read for all women embarking on or in a FLR/WLM. As Trina pointed out, and many of you validated, it is her authority and feeling of being controlled that arouses the submissive, and not the actual punishment. I can rip into my husband and issue the most severe punishment and he will get a raging erection at the moment I am issuing the punishment. He genuinely feels bad about disappointing me and does not enjoy the punishment, but his body's natural reaction to the feeling of being issued a punishment is to get aroused. This goes for any punishment, not just spanking.

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  21. It is clear from the comments that spanking is a motivator for many submissives. For this reason, regular spanking used for motivation should not be viewed as punishment but as discipline. Punishments are used when the submissively knowingly disobeys, does an extremely unacceptable behavior, exhibit laziness, or continually fails at the same task. A dedicated submissive should rarely require a punishment.

    Discipline on the other hand is used for training and motivating the submissive. Discipline is used to correct minor infractions. The submissive should look forward to discipline, even though it may be hard, and should emerge from it motivated to better trained to serve his Goddess. Discipline is a good thing. Conceptually, I believe this post and the ensuing discussion align with what I am saying. However, I think it's important change the semantics to that of viewing regular spankings as discipline and not punishment. This is a much more positive approach. I have written more about this in my post "MOTIVATING YOUR HUSBAND" posted on June 12, 2020

    https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1938012059034696763/2791209356481280102

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    1. Use this link instead of the above link

      https://femdomthinktank.blogspot.com/2020/06/motivating-your-husband.html

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    2. Ms. Kaylee,
      I do agree with you that discipline and punishment are distinct parts of any female led relationship – although they are almost symbiotically related for many males who learn discipline through punishment or the credible threat of it. I also think that viewing spanking as primarily a disciplinary motivator rather than primarily a punishment can be a clever synthesis of the two -- and I applaud your creative solution to what is a problem for some couples.

      But two things could be added to your synthesis: one is simply that spanking --if it is severe enough can be a real punishment --and if it is both severe and consistent—spanking can also modify male behavior.

      Also important to add is that non spanking punishments don’t work well or at all for some males and may in fact cause resentment which is toxic for any relationship.

      From reading you blog I understand there are some (maybe many) women who eschew spanking entirely or prefer not to spank if they can avoid it. As long as they feel this way and their relationships thrive without using spanking, there is no reason they should spank.

      But for women who are comfortable spanking or whose partner requires it, those women should know that it does function as a real punishment and it can modify male behavior.

      I appreciate, as many do, you willingness to host a wide ranging discussion on this topic. Female led relationships are an exciting possibility for more and more couples as we go into the future. But they are not a one size fits all
      Alan

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  22. Well said Alan. The female should use what works best for her and her submissive. There are many forms of punishment and discipline and even many different ways to use spanking. I've used spanking off and on over the years. Over the past few years, I have not spanked my husband often and when I do spank him, it is never severe. The spankings have always been more symbolic. I'm just not comfortable with a severe spanking. My preferred methods of punishment are corner time and withholding privileges from him, such as he can not go out with friends or can not watch TV. These types of punishments are very effective with my husband.

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    1. Alan - This is very true and my wife ultimately realized my response to her authority (erection) should not get in the way of her exercising control through punishment.

      Mz Kaylee - Whereas my wife initially spanked, she quickly found it "wasn't for her" and went instead for whipping (with a belt). She also found this was a more efficient way to deal with my initial arousal as it was easier for her to dial up the severity/intensity. This went on until I really stopped getting aroused at all at the punishment altogether, which delighted her because that's always been her hang up with the process. She doesn't do this often anymore however, and I like to think that's mainly because I've improved so much over the years at anticipating her needs and meeting her standards and requirements. "Discipline" now tends to be more of a "reminder" of our hierarchy versus punishment per se, and as such is nowhere near as severe as when she was first training me.

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    2. Mz Kaylee, when you speak of withholding privileges and not allowing him to go out with friends, it sounds like grounding. I am curious, when he has to cancel plans with friends, how do you handle that? Do you allow him to make up some excuse to them as to why he can't make whatever plans he is cancelling, or do you actually make him tell them he's grounded and that you did it and why? I've mentioned before several times that my wife does this to me when I'm grounded, and if I refuse or can't bring myself to do it, she takes the phone and tells them herself. I've been in flr and wlm circles for years, and it seems I'm one of few this technique is used on. Guess I'm still trying to see if I'm pretty much alone in that regard.

      - Trent

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    3. Trent,
      You are not alone! My tony is required to make these calls while I listen in and giggle. He hates it! Which means it is great punishment. His friends have taken to calling him PW. IF I am in a magnanimous mode, I may play with his cock during the calls. That makes it much easier for him to do.
      Trina

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    4. And he actually has to tell them that he's grounded? Like use the word and everything so there is no misunderstanding? Wow. Guess I'm not so alone after all. Lol

      - Trent

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    5. Nevermind. I just read your profile on the site. My apologies. It is good to know I'm not alone, though.

      - Trent

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    6. I let him deal with the cancellation of plans. I don't like to involve friends in the lifestyle, but it is an interesting idea.

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    7. I see. I confess that I'm jealous of your husband in that regard. I respect my wife's authority, but it is by far the part of our WLM that I despise the most. The most embarrassing part of it anyway. But it admittedly works. I strive harder to avoid the offenses that bring such a thing on, and thus the occurrences of me acting like an ass and having to do that are increasingly rare.

      - Trent

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  23. When I use the term "spanking" I am speaking generically and am referring to any position or implement -- including what Tim referred to as "whipping." Most of Tony's punishments are not over the knee because I use a bath brush or a prison strap. I often have him on elbows and knees on the bed with his butt high in the air. When he can't take any more he collapses onto the bed, while I continue ...

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