Sunday, April 17, 2022

Making Our WLM More Public (Guest Post by Trina)

My desire to make our WLM more public has two main reasons, one altruistic and the other selfish. The first reason is that most of my women friends want to know how and why it is that Tony is such a perfect gentleman and wonderfully obedient husband; most of them know that he was not that way when he and I first got together. So they keep asking me, “What have you done to train him so well?” The second reason is that I find my power over him to be great for my ego and also very erotic, and the more public my power is the more it turns me on, both mentally and physically.

As I have related, our marriage did not start as a WLM, but rather as an F/m spanking dynamic. But my goal from the beginning was to have a marriage with very few arguments, and to have those few arguments settled very quickly and in my favor — and I knew I was going to use his need for spanking to achieve that goal. To that end I did internet research and was glad to find Aunt Kay’s Disciplinary Wives Club, which is an awesome site about how wives use spanking to control their husbands. (While Kay is deceased, the site can still be read at auntkaysdwc.com.)

Tony is not naturally submissive at all; he is an alpha male who is a lifelong spanko, and for much of his life he was mostly the spanker, and tells me he has had a couple dozen women over his knee. But he admits that it was getting harder and harder for him to find willing women, and that he really wanted a spanking relationship, not a series of one-nighters, and that his experiences as a spankee showed him that he was just as excited getting it as giving it. We met on a site for Christian spankos, and I let him know right away that if we were to get serious that I would be the only one doing the spanking. He agreed as long as I promised to spank him at least once a week, come rain or shine, as he was tired of going months between spankings.

Spanking him once a week clearly put me in the dominant position and him in the submissive one, and the more I spanked him to change his behavior, the more we moved into WLM. Almost every week I had a reason why he was being punished — and not just getting his weekly spanking. The social interaction issues that were the topic of a recent post was one of the first areas we delved into where I started making rules for him. 

It was also the first area that became public, because when I began grounding him from going out with the boys (about three years into our marriage), I made him tell them that he had been grounded by his wife. So it was clear to those husbands that I wore the pants in the family, and when their wives asked them why they weren’t more like Tony, they would tend to reply that he was pussy-whipped and that they weren’t going for that. So the wives also knew that I was in charge.

As I got more intrigued with WLM, I read about it on the internet, and was really taken with Lady Misato’s Real Women Don’t Do Housework (rwddh.com). I did not find Mz Kaylee’s site here, though I sure wish I had, nor did I find the blog that Kaylee has helped write, rwddh.blogspot.com, which has a post from a few years ago about how public a wife-led marriage should be.

I was fascinated by the rwddh philosophy of turning a husband into a knight in shining armor serving his queen — and Tony was quite taken with it, too, since a knight is a macho kind of guy, no matter how submissive he is to his queen. So we started incorporating that philosophy, and I also began using specific techniques explained on that site, including what I call the “cock talk” where virtually any important discussion happens with Tony’s cock in my hand, which almost guarantees that the discussion will end in my favor. The site also explains all about orgasm control, turning orgasm from a “right” to a “privilege” that must be earned and can only occur with the wife’s permission. These strategies and others on the rwddh site took us deeper and deeper into a WLM.

We began doing public things like him getting me drinks at parties, carrying my bags at the mall, bending down and fixing the strap  on my heels, rushing to my side every time I waved for him, getting orders from me rather than requests, me ordering for us both at restaurants and requesting the check come to me, him driving like a chauffeur with me in the back seat talking on the phone, me ignoring him in public while talking with others, me doing all the talking when in a meeting with a professional such as our attorney or accountant — and on and on, virtually everything I could think of to show that I am in charge. While each of these things is pretty minor, when taken together they do add up to an obvious WLM.

The next big public revelation was a couple of years after the grounding revelations. By this time I had Tony trained to do most of the household chores, and I started making him wear an apron and nothing else after the kids were in bed. My girlfriends and I have had a Thursday girls night out forever, which sometimes is a girls night in — we meet for the evening at one of our houses, with the husband required to make himself and the kids scarce, like on a different floor if not out of the house altogether for at least part of the evening.

We would typically meet from about 7:30-10, which is Tony’s time to put the kids to bed and do chores. After we had established his chore routine, the first that the girls were going to meet at our house I sat him down and told him that he was not absolved from his two hours of chores and was still going to do them in his apron in clear view of our guests — with a pair of shorts on. He objected quite vociferously, but changed his mind after being over my knee for 20 minutes or so. I told him that not only was he going to do all of his chores, but that he would be serving us as well — pouring wine, bringing snacks, clearing away dishes, and maybe even giving foot massages.

My husband is a workout freak and rather buff, and I knew the ladies would enjoy seeing him serving us with part of his chest and back and legs showing. The first time this happened there was a whole lot of giggling and oohing and aahing, and while he was embarrassed at first, I think my husband realized eventually that he enjoyed all of the positive attention from some great-looking wives.

There weren’t any foot massages that first time, but on subsequent visits he did get to make the rounds and give everyone a foot massage – maybe half a dozen ladies each night. This is a rather sensual and intimate act, with him kneeling on the floor and massaging a foot outstretched onto a foot stool. I noticed that he was trying hard to hide his erection as he massaged the women. It also turned me on, and after the girls left the first time I dragged him into the bedroom and had my way with him. It was very obvious to us that his submission was pleasurable for us both.

It was after this started about two years ago that I began to get the questions in earnest about how I had transformed my husband. I would usually just laugh or give a sly smile and not answer. But my friends seriously wanted to know, and it got to the point where some of them were a bit perturbed (and still are to a degree) that I wasn’t sharing my secrets.

I was withholding information to protect our privacy, but I was doing a disservice to my friends. Many of them were unhappy with their husbands and were desperate to know how to gain some control in the marriage. Many of our meetings were mostly bitch sessions about husbands, and it was very obvious to all that I said little at these times.

Eventually, just in the past few months, I sat Tony down to talk about it. He was well aware of my girlfriends’ desire for information, as they often asked their questions right in front of him while he was serving us. But his position was that they already knew more than he preferred — that he did all the household chores, that I grounded him, that he was unfailingly polite and obedient. That’s already a lot for an alpha male to handle, but I was asking him to handle more.  After several conversations, we agreed that we weren’t ready to share about him getting spanked or being required to wear a chastity device when not in my presence. He kept suggesting that I just refer the wives to various Web sites, but I argued that I needed to share with them some of the techniques that I actually use in our marriage, including the cock talks, total orgasm control, making him earn sex with me, grounding, writing lines, turning rights into privileges, financial control, and basically anything but spanking and locking his cock. He didn’t like it, but the belt and the bath brush are great persuaders.

So … just recently I have begun sharing with the Thursday night group. I started with the cock talk, which I thought was the easiest — as the man is getting a handjob and probably doesn’t even realize how he is being controlled. The girls were fascinated, and a number of them have tried it — with great results! Various wives have gotten their husbands to do more chores, call before coming home late, go out with the boys less, stop swearing in the wife’s presence, go down on the wife more, and I can’t remember what else! I told them that one of the best strategies is to stop in the middle: Get him just on the edge of cumming and then stop and say, “If you want me to finish you off, you need to lick my pussy first. Otherwise, good night!”

We have had several weeks of discussions just about this one strategy, which is easy for the husband to accept because he is getting MORE sex with his wife handling his cock so much. (It helps to give it a quick lick every so often as well.) But the cock talk can be used to introduce the other training methods to the husband. I’m going to tell the girls to get him really hard and then say something like, “If you want me to keep going, you will agree that I can ground you and forbid you from going out with your friends.” Or whatever behavior you want to change or strategy you want to implement.

That’s where I am in making my WLM more public. I will discuss the other strategies I mentioned, but I may never tell about spanking or using a chastity device. While I am definitely in charge, I also respect my husband’s wishes, and I don’t know if an alpha guy like Tony can ever come around to sharing about those two key ways that I dominate him.

Trina


47 comments:

  1. Wow, just wow. This is absolutely fantastic. Thank youTrina. Just printed this so that it can incorporated into our Sunday (today) morning readings. Your marriage very similar to our, so I can't wait for Ms. K.'s reaction. Thank yo so much.

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  2. Glad to hear you're encouraging them to use grounding. Are you also gonna encourage them to make their husbands tell their friends when having to cancel their plans? The only thing I would say is I'd hope that make their husbands aware of that aspect of it first. ", “If you want me to keep going, you will agree that I can ground you and forbid you from going out with your friends.”. and maybe after they've agreed "And you will tell your friends when you're grounded or else I will. That is, if you want me to finish you right now.". I believe in consent and full understanding as I'm sure you do also.

    - Trent

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  3. Trina - I am not as public or open to my friends about my domination as you are but I am fascinated with what you do and enjoyed reading your post. Thank you for sharing your real world experiences with us.

    I do find the cock talks to be a powerful and effective tool that I use regularly. I no longer use any form of negotiation in my talks. Early on, that may be necessary, but with him under my control and orgasm denial in place, there was no negotiation needed. Instead I just tell him what I want or what he needs to do while I stroke or just hold his cock, and he agrees. The advantage with the cock talk is that his attention is 100% focused on me and it puts him in a very agreeable and non-confrontational state of mind. What I enjoy is that he he knows that I am taking advantage of his weakened state but he loves it AND he gets excited at being manipulated this way. He looks forward to cock talks.

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  4. Hi, Kaylee,
    In a lot of ways, your WLM is much more advanced than mine, as are the WLMs of some other couples on here. We have always been in a reward/punishment relationship which is transactional and where he must be convinced to do what I want, either with pain or pleasure. Honestly, I enjoy administering both, so I don't mind how we are. But it fascinates me to hear about other husbands who worship their wives without the promise of reward or the threat of punishment. I think those husbands must be more naturally submissive than mine, who isn't really that way at all. After almost eight years of marriage, he suggested on my recent birthday that he ought to be able to give me a birthday spanking -- knowing full well that I am the only spanker in this household! I was so irritated that I gave him my birthday spanking, and believe me it was not celebratory.
    Trina

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  5. I am one of those males with a tremendous need to submit to women, particularly my wife, but to all women. Although I dress and appear outwardly alpha/macho (perhaps to compensate for my secret?). I am motivated almost entirely by the wish for feminine approval. I crave my wife’s approval, and since she decides whether and how I am allowed to touch her sexually, and whether I may orgasm, when she is happy with me, she rewards me.

    She orgasms far more than I do, and I feel privileged and proud to be allowed to provide for her in this way.

    As far as being exposed in public or to friends, she does expect me to “make it obvious that you are pussy-whipped” when we are with our friends. There is a part of me that would like certain of her friends to know and understand more, but that also scares me. For example, I would find it exciting if certain of her friends knew that I wore only wwomen’s panties, that she is in charge at home, or that she controls my orgasms. I trust her with the decision whether to share more with her friends. So far, she has chosen not to (as far as I know).

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  6. Trina - It is fascinating to hear all the different ways the WLMs evolve. You have accomplished a lot given that your husband is not naturally submissive. It just goes to show that different situations require different approaches. My husband is naturally submissive which probably ultimately led to his current mindset of worship and devotion to me. However, it took many years for him to mature to that state of mind. In the beginning there was a lot of transactional type domination. I still need to incorporate regular discipline and an occasional punishment to keep him from going off the rails and to keep his devotion high. I laughed at how your husband suggested he spank you. Every now and then my husbands offers to dominate me if that is what I want. Ha! Not a chance!! Silly boys!

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    1. When silly boys don't amuse their dominant wives, they suffer the consequences. And I do mean SUFFER!

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  7. “…but I may never tell about spanking or using a chastity device.”

    I am a husband and an alpha male in a long term DD relationship that uses spanking and orgasm control (currently no cock cage). And I totally get this limitation on what you reveal. My wife too has received the questions from her girlfriends, and with the exception of her sister and one friend, has not gone very far in describing how she controls me. Mostly that is to respect my privacy although she, with the two exceptions noted, feels discretion is important.

    But as a believer in female led relationships and female led DD, I sometimes think we should be more open with more people. By not sharing with other women, that cycle of ignorance about what it takes to control a male just goes on and on.

    I am quoting Trina above but here is what I believe is a direct quote from AJ in an earlier post: “With orgasm control I took control of his cock and the frequency of orgasms which firmly put me in the driver’s seat of controlling his behavior towards me. Spanking and discipline has further provided me with a means of fine tuning … his behavior that orgasm control originally provided me” {end quote}

    Back to Trina’s post: her friends are seeing the results of her training and control (house service, apron, politeness, general obedience, etc.) – and she is sharing some of her techniques (cock talk, etc.). But she is not revealing the two things that really cement her control as both she and AJ note: orgasm control and discipline.

    I am not proposing a solution to this and I feel much like Tony about it. Maybe everyone needs to learn their own way and certainly web resources are available to anyone seeking them. But orgasm control and discipline are all but essential in functioning female led relationships. And if a woman is curious about FLR’s, but doesn’t know about those two tools, she and her partner are going to be frustrated.

    Alan

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  8. Alan,
    I am going to tell the girls about orgasm control, just not our use of a chastity device. Since most husbands on here, including you, work well on the honor system, it doesn't seem vital to share about locking his cock. He has compulsions that override his desire to be honest, thrrefore the cage.
    Many WLMs also are successful without spanking. Discipline can be imposed without corporal punishment.
    I disagree with you that wives need to know about those two tools!
    Trina

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    1. I think spanking is very important because it not only cements the FemDom dynamic by, let's be honest, most submissive been men can't live just as happily without it at all so it's like a need they have. Give them that and they'll be happy to submit to their wives - it's just a need more than a want for them. Would you restrict their access to vegetables or something like that that they can go without but it will take a toll on them? Well this is the same but it's not about their health it's just something they need as submissives

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  9. As with everything in WLMs, the Wives should handle how public They want to make it. In our case, i love HER timing ... if it was for me it would have been very public BUT i learned that She handles all this much better.

    i've had the privilege to be around the house in a few of Her friends' meetings and They certainly talk about everything They want. In general, i am Her devoted husband, obedient and all-pleasing. Some call me 'Her assistant'. But my Queen has always been conservative and i don't think She'll ever talk about specifics.

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    1. Marcel basically speaks for my situation as well. My wife prefers for now that our WLM be kept relatively private, at least where the details are concerned. I don't think there would be too much doubt among our friendship group about who the Head of our household is but beyond that, I doubt that they would guess at the extent of her authority.

      Having said that, in this as in all other things, my wife makes it clear that the decision to be private or public is hers and hers alone. She recently joked before we went out to a dinner that she might have me kneeling at her feet in front of our friends before we went to table. And then she got serious for a moment and said; "And if I ever do say that in public, you'd better obey me as though we were at home on our own...."

      Can't say that is one of my fantasies and for now, I'm pleased to say, nor does it seem to be one of my wife's.....

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  10. Very interesting. My wife has basically unilaterally decided how and to what degree to let her friends know about our relationship, usually in my presence and by complete surprise. Handling all the chores, for instance, was brought up when her friends both complained over dinner with us about their inability to juggle full time jobs and housework. At another dinner she brought up how she hadn't allowed me to orgasm for (at that point) almost an entire year.

    Trina, the foot massages also reminded me of a similar experience but it ended up with one of her friends wondering whether I did pedicures or not too. I didn't but my wife later said 'why not' and now several years later this same friend (and one other) stop by every month or so.

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    1. Tim - I like how your wife is making you more and more useful to both her and her friends. Very cool! I always enjoy your updates on this and keep wondering what is next? :}

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  11. Nothing "selfish" in a Woman in a FemDom relationship making it public for Her own ego. She's entitled to that. She's the Mistress.

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  13. In my (very) humble opinion, some of your friends will eventually move on to more emphatic control of their husbands. There are so many closeted submissive males, I bet there is at least one if not more sub males among the husbands of your friends. Mistress Scarlett (UK) always says there are at least 100 sub males for every Domme. Don't be surprised if pretty soon a friend speaks to you privately and says her husband is begging for more ways to submit to her, and asks for suggestions. I actually think most males are trainable, and that many more women would be dommes if they were more directly exposed to the idea and how to do it. Please do keep us posted! And thank you sooo much for sharing this wonderful news.

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    1. I agree there is a large imbalance between the number of submissive men and dominant women. More women need to discover the joys and benefits of female domination and realize that it can be a wonderful lifestyle and not just a kink.

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  14. To me, this is a wonderful place to share. I don't have the passion to start my own blog, and Kaylee has created a great forum with a diversity of WLM experiences.

    In terms of comments above, for us it would not work for me to unilaterally make all the decisions, especially about our WLM. I want power over my husband, but I don't want a slave or a doormat. His passion about an issue definitely influences my passion.
    Some husbands here love giving up all control to their wives, and that is fine as long as the wives want all the control. That's not what Tony and I want; for us, the Knight serves the Queen but is not her chattel.
    All the best to all of you!
    Trina

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  15. Have you tried wearing a pair of keys round your neck. I think eventually they will clock on what they are for. I am sure men and women often talk about spanking too and it might be talked of as slap and tickle. You just need to say you like more slap with your tickle. Femsup

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  16. Trina - thank you for your positive words. I really appreciate your contributions as well as the other female contributors. There is a lack of good quality resources about WLM and most existing resource barely crack the surface of what it takes to be successful in a WLM. They also tend to be overrun by male comments or be focused more on the male fantasy. I started this blog with a vision of educating women about WLM and generating discussions on the various topics and issues. My focus has been about generating in-depth and quality content and discussion versus having a large quantity of superficial content. It has been great to see more females contributing to the content and discussion and I hope more will participate.

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    1. I suspect that even more women will get involved here if male responses are kept to a minimum at least some of the time. I know that my wife, for example, enjoys exchanging ideas with women in her situation but sometimes finds that the men can clutter up a thread. Men have their place (sort of!) but probably need to hang back a bit until women have had their say. That's the way it works in my wife's household, at least.

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  17. Trina's post has sparked many interesting comments. It is wonderful to read the different insight and opinions. Thank you Trina for your intriguing post and thanks for all of you who are engaged in the discussion!

    With my own WLM, I keep things private but I have found that overtime, it becomes an integrated part of our lifestyle and how we act and therefore a natural public exposure occurs. Friends and family notice that I tell him what to do and he responds without question. Friends have learned to come to me and not him when making plans. I've even had a female friend publicly refer to him as submissive. I've also proudly shared with a few people some of things that he does for me such as putting gas in the car for me, withdrawing money from the bank, and cleaning the bathrooms. I guess you could say that we lead by example and people notice.

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    1. It's a long way off, but I think it will be a wonderful time when WLM becomes accepted fully. Imagine when I as a husband can wear a cock cage under the direction of my wife, and not have to worry that it's outline will show through jeans. I've seen the outline of a pad over women's crotches showing through, but I ignore it, and don't care. My new found hobby of sewing, I can share with people on here, and receive encouragement, but we hide it before relatives come over, or pretend it's my wife working on a particular piece. I look forward to the day a woman can ring a bell, her husband dutifully comes to her to receive a verbal order from her, then carries it out, and nobody present thinks twice about it. But I have to face reality. That won't happen in my lifetime. But Rome wasn't built in a day either.

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    2. It is interesting when individuals make comments about their observations. It’s just how we are and how we live. They don’t have to make too much of a jump to guess the basic dynamics of the relationship and most women sense the basic vibe. Mr Kaylee I like your Friend's comment that he’s submissive, that is a powerful statement in a normal conversation. Things are always more tantalizing when all is not reviled, it leaves things to their imagination.

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  18. Mz Kaylee,

    I foun Trina'sdiscussiom of her going public with her WLM fascinating. Going public is a desirable thing for women since it gives us workable possibilities for our own relationships. As Trina says, “While each of these things is pretty minor, when taken together they do add up to an obvious WLM”.

    My David has been well trained over the years. He is obedient, polite, and readily defers to women. My lady friends marvel at my telling David to do something as opposed to my asking him to do something. They are excited by my chastising David for even the smallest breach of protocol - and my ominously promising to revisiting an issue after guests are gone. The ladies find it fascinating that - on my orders - David quit his job to be a full time housekeeper. Three of my woman friends are benefiting from David's housekeeping skills. David cleans house for them once a week for seven hours each day - this helps that ladies and keeps David productively busy. David speaks when spoken to and then, minimally. I chastise him in front of the ladies and he is always accepting of my comments - does he have a choice? - LOL! All these things are public in my WLM. Discussing then openly strengthens the marriage and gets other women thinking about taking up similar arrangements within their marriages.

    The most exciting thing in my public WLM is that I have men on the side. I cuckold David and he is fully accepting. Why? David is simply in adequate in the bed room. There are more and more women wanting sexual fulfillment and not fining it at home.

    Debbie

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    1. I am glad that adequacy in the bedroom has never been an issue for Tony. Of course, I took him for a test drive! And any husband can be trained how to use his tongue.
      Trina

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    2. I'm looking forward to Wife Led Marriage becoming more public, and therefore accepted through society. I remember when seatbelt use, and child car seats were rare. When a person could be killed for being gay. Both are not only fully accepted through many countries, but even legally protected, or in the case of seatbelts, they are enforced.

      Imagine a husband standing in a crowded mall, remaining silent while holding his wife's colorful shopping bags, and purse for five minutes as she talks to a couple of acquaintances she's met. Then she says to him in front of the others "go wait in the car for me, and I'll be there when I'm done visiting here; and put my purse in the back seat". At this present time everyone in the mall would be staring, and the people she's immediately talking with would be floored. I imagine a time when this becomes normal.

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    3. Wonderful thought...one can dream....

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  19. That is true. A man's properly trained tongue can give a woman lots of pleasure, but sometimes she needs a large man to fill her needs. Or maybe she just wants some variety. As the Leader of the relationship that is her prerogative and her decision. As with all her final decisions her submissive must learn to accept it.

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    1. Again, I take an opposing viewpoint. Because of my faith, I have no interest in cuckolding my husband. But if I did, I would not do so without his consent.
      Trina

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  20. It is a woman's choice whether she wants to cuckold or not. My opinion is a truly dominant woman would not need his consent.

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    1. So if the husband had a real issues with this, then you think it is ok for the wife to move forward? And what benefit would that have to the marriage? A WLM is not a pure dictatorship. The wife should make decisions that are in the best interest of the marriage, taking into consideration her husband's well-being. A wife who loves her husband would never force him against his will into being a cuckold.

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    2. Oh yes, I'm sure that humiliating your husband is in the best interest of the marriage. Things like making him wear women's underwear, or a pacifier, or making him tell his friends he is grounded, or shoving a dildo or butt plug up his ass. Give me a break! LOL

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    3. And this is the kind of thing that makes women like my wife reluctant to make their contributions in places like this that should be a natural base for them. Always some guy who knows best....

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    4. Ok. A few ground rules please 1) Add a name to comments as it is confusing to see multiple anonymous comments and not know if they are from the same person. It is also helpful to know if it is a guy or female that is posting. 2) Be respectful in your comments. Discussion is encouraged. Differing opinions are fine. There is no need to defensive or emotional about it.

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    5. You are missing the point. It is not about the specific things, it is about whether the husband can handle it. If my husband had a big issue with wearing women's underwear then I would not force him to wear it. There is also a really huge difference between making him wear panties and telling him I am going to sleep with another man.
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  21. @Trina and tony Could you please share in details how you apply financial control in your relationship ? i like your ideas and i want to apply them in my relationship

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    1. Good timing Raiden. I am just finishing up a post on financial control and will have it published in the next day or two.

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    2. Awesome to read this Mz Kaylee. That one was a major loss of power for me, and gain of control over me for my wife. But I'll explain it all in the comments below your posting.

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    3. Raiden, I just saw this but I did comment in the financial post so I hope that helps. If not, email me at trinaandtony21@gmail.com
      Trina

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  22. Since we're both pretty well known in our small town, we tend to keep it pretty much on the down low while in the area, but less so on the road. However, thanks a series of unfortunate circumstances, a friend saw a paddle foolishly left out in the open after a recent spanking I'd received. She and my Wife have had a couple of conversations about it and recently, a demonstration when I was simply told "Robert, go to your corner." Obediently, I went and since nothing else was said, followed the rules and dropped my pants/panties down to my ankles and stood facing the wall in my corner, hands pulling my shirt up slightly so I was on full display. I stayed that way until our guest told me I could come out and, since I hadn't been told to pull up my trousers, came out fully erect and on display, a condition I was required to maintain for about 10 minutes. We'll see what happens next!

    Robert, a submissive husband

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  23. This one is up to her. I would be surprised if her sister didn't know--they are that close.

    In one way, we're already public. We have a contract, and one of the conditions is that I will "treat all women with courtesy and respect, regardless of age or appearance." My wife usually reminds of this when we go to a party or gathering, where it's an unstated goal for a woman guest to compliment her on me. Once, I was in earshot and heard her reply that "he's very well trained." I turned several shades of red, but I was also proud that she was so pleased with me.

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  24. Trina, you've mentioned your girlfriends' progess with their husbands. Are those husbands adopted WLM lifestyle so easy? It seems they were not anyhow submissive before...

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    1. None of these couples have adopted a full WLM lifestyle but some are leaning that direction. So far it has been the wife arousing the husband to such a state that he agrees to a particular wish of hers. Both benefit, but that is far from a full WLM just because he is now doing the dishes (or whatever).
      Trina

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  25. How do you have a Cock Talk when you husband suffers from Erectile Dysfunction? Our vows said in sickness and in health.

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    1. As a man with erectile dysfunction I would find a Cock Talk to be very disrespectful. I would take a great deal of hurt by my wife doing this and be very resentful of her. I would pull away from her and possibly give her the cold shoulder for it. She would have to do a lot of apologizing for her insensitive actions.

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