Saturday, October 1, 2022

The Strange and Exciting Submissive Male

This post is a culmination of all the things I’ve learned about submissive men through my own experience with my husband, through hours and hours of reading I have done on FLRs/Femdom, and through the many people whom I’ve corresponded with over the years since I started “Femdom Think Tank.”  I was inspired to write this post from recent comments on the blog bout how chastity devices were barbaric and cruel. I often see comments on my posts where people say I am not loving or that they feel sorry for my husband. When I see these comments, it is obvious to me that they are from people who are not naturally submissive and do not understand the submissive mind. They don’t understand that there are thousands of men who dream of being locked in chastity and being held captive by a female. It is just how the submissive mind works! I can tell you with 100% confidence that my husband is happy and is living out his fantasy. He would be depressed if we went back to a normal marriage. There is also no debate that our marriage is loving. We are a very close couple and are very much in love with each other. Having a WLM has made us communicate with each other more frequently and openly and has strengthened the bond between us. I can understand how those who are not submissive would react in a negative way to some of the more extreme forms of domination. Hopefully this post will bring some understanding that female domination in a loving relationship is not about being cruel but is an expression of love. Enjoy! -Mz Kaylee


I believe that many men are naturally wired to be submissive. They are born this way. The Natural Born Submissive man thinks very differently about women and sex compared to other men. It is almost as if they live in a parallel universe…a 4th dimension. At first these submissive men just barely touch on that 4th dimension. It lives in their daydreams and fantasies. If they are lucky enough, they discover a female who taps into their submission and they are slowly or perhaps quickly immersed into this parallel universe.

Natural Submissive Men (NSM) have a much different attitude toward females and sexual situations compared to other men. They are on the shy side when it comes to sexual or intimate situations with new females. NSMs are hesitant to make the first move and are secretly hoping she does. In their fantasies, the women are almost always dominant towards them. The NSM fantasizes mostly about a woman strongly coming onto them or that the female is forcing them into a sexual or humiliating situation. Being tied up or captured by the female may be a recurring fantasy. As they delve deeper into their submissive fantasies, and become highly aroused, their fantasies become more bizarre or extreme. Some common themes that can become arousing for the NSM are being feminized, bound and spanked, teased about their small cock, treated like a dog, or being forced to eat their cum or drink their pee. Are these fantasies that non-submissive men have? Probably not. I’d venture a guess that most men would find these fantasies to be ridiculous and off-putting. The NSM may feel ashamed after masturbating to these fantasies but he can never stop himself from having such bizarre fantasies.

So far I’ve just touched on the fantasy aspects of the NSM. It is unfortunate that a lot of these men never make it past the fantasy stage because of social norms that make them feel embarrassed or afraid to admit their submissive desires to a female. I would also imagine it is a challenge to find females willing to entertain these desires. For those men who are lucky enough to find a female who is willing to tap into his submission….well that’s when things get real interesting….That’s when they move into that parallel universe.

The NSM has a deep burning desire to feel controlled and manipulated by a female. Succumbing to her authority is arousing to him. Being seduced by her into doing something humiliating or against his will is arousing to him. The particular scenarios that excite him may vary from one man to another but the overarching idea of being seduced or manipulated is what arouses naturally submissive men. So a common theme here is arousal. Yes, the NSM is highly driven by his dick. Of course, that is the one thing he has in common with most men (Ha! ha!). The difference is that NSM’s arousal is derived from being submissive whereas other men are aroused by more typical sex scenarios. In fact, the submissive scenarios would likely be a turn-off to other men and seem bizarre and even cruel. On the flip side, the typical man’s fantasy may seem too dull or normal to the submissive man.

So the NSM who connects with a dominant woman, suddenly finds that some of his fantasies become his reality. He craves for his girlfriend/wife/Mistress to be strict with him. He wants to be punished. He wants to be spanked and humiliated by her. These things give him an erotic rush. His desire for the rush is so strong and he knows these things are not typical and so he is willing to do whatever it takes to please the woman in order to experience these things. Her acknowledgement of his submissiveness and kinks is acceptance of him, and that make him feel good.

The exciting and a bit dangerous thing about submission, is that it is addictive. When a female taps into his submission, it is exciting for him and it is never enough. The more she taps into it, the more he wants it. This is what creates power for the female. The dominate female uses that power to force obedience from the submissive. This is where we enter the 4th dimension that is highly misunderstood by those who are not submissive or dominant. In this dimension, humiliation, manipulation, and punishment are accepted and part of the norm. Orgasm control, and yes – locking up his dick, are not only accepted, but are exciting aspects of the relationship for many people.

The smart dominant woman uses these tools to motivate her man to serve her, work hard for her, and elevate her to a Goddess status. It is not cruel at all. Quite the contrary it is a win-win…a perfect symbiosis. He gets to live out his fantasies and she gets to live like a Queen. Furthermore, when he is in a meaningful relationship and channels his submissive craving towards serving his partner, suddenly his need for domination becomes meaningful and fulfilling as opposed to just empty fantasies.

I refer to it all as a parallel or 4th dimension, because to the typical person, the inner workings of a FLR seems cruel, strange, and perverted. However, when you are in this parallel universe, immersed into a loving female led relationship, these “strange and cruel” things are actually motivators and acts of love. My husband lives in this parallel universe. It always amazes me at how much he wants to feel my control. He thinks about it and desires it on a daily basis. Orgasm control and the use of longer term orgasm denial has made his desire to be controlled even stronger. When I tease his cock to the brink of orgasm over and over again, his mind transforms and he wants to be completely dominated, humiliated and manipulated. This is his sub-space. It is like the more perverted or more extreme the humiliation I exert, the more exciting it is for him. When he is in sub-space, I can make him do or agree to just about anything. It is exciting for him and it is exciting for me to have complete control over him.

By the time I’ve pushed my husband into that subspace, I am also highly aroused because it is exciting for me to see him consumed in his arousal and completely subservient to me. Most times, I will take advantage of the situation by ordering him to pleasure me ins some way or I will be very dominant during sex, using him like my own personal sex toy. It always makes for great sex. While that is a fantastic scenario for him, it is not his ideal outcome. Remember, in his crazed aroused state, he desires perversion or humiliation. On Some occasions I will entertain that desire. I may gag him with my used panties or order him to worship my ass with his tongue or I may take him over my lap and spank him with my riding crop. I’ve collared and leashed him and walked him around like a dog. Making him stand perfectly still while I inspect his body is another fun thing to do. Something totally unexpected that I discovered, is often times these weird kinky moments become deeply intimate and bring us closer together as couple.  Weird right? If I had not experienced it, I would not believe it myself but it is true and I have had others share that they have experienced the same type of emotional bonding. My sense is that the willingness of both partners to let go of their inhibitions and be vulnerable with each other, allows them to connect on a deep level. It is amazing and very exciting.

It seems to me (and I could be wrong), that this deep level of intimacy with female domination can only occur in relationships where there is trust and love. When there is both trust and love, each person can completely open up and be vulnerable without concern. I mentioned earlier that the nature of NSM can be dangerous. NSM are vulnerable to strong dominant women and if a woman has bad intentions, then NSM are susceptible to be taken advantage by her and to being hurt. For this reason, it is important for the male in a newer FLR to set boundaries and approach the FLR with caution.

However, the naturally submissive man who finds himself in a loving female led relationship, will find bliss and fulfillment is serving and yielding to her. He knows that her dominance and control are acts of love.


-Mz Kaylee

58 comments:

  1. Beautiful article articulating wonderfully the mind of femdom craving man and the relationship which can exist when he is able to open up to his woman and she has the courage to embrace him for what he is. This describes my relationship with my husband succinctly. Thanks for writing this Kaylee.

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  2. Thank you for the wonderful post. You accurately describe the emotions and motivations of submissive men in ways that I have a hard time articulating myself. This will be shared with my Queen very soon.

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  3. Another wonderful article, Mz Kaylee - so much of this captures how I feel as a submissive husband.
    When you write:
    "They are on the shy side when it comes to sexual or intimate situations with new females. NSMs are hesitant to make the first move and are secretly hoping she does."
    That certainly describes my dating life! In college and after, I rarely asked girls out directly. Actually, though, I did pretty well sometimes, even before dating my wife!
    I definitely had a specific desire for women who were physically strong and tall, and now I understand that as an early expression of my desire to be dominated.
    At one point, I was with the Captain of our women's rugby team! It didn't last, but I loved it while it did!
    CK

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  4. Perfectly described Ms Kaylee, perfectly described.

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  5. 100 % correct. Married 30 years to my amazing wife, to the wonderful mother of our children, to my best friend and my Mistress.

    Anyone who thinks for one second, that a FLR marriage or relationship, is one without love, closeness and friendship, is just plain wrong.

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  6. How many married men never reveal their submissive desires to their partners? How many married women ignore clear signs that their husbands are not as dominant as perhaps they would wish? How many men eventually reveal their submissive needs and desires to their wife only to be rejected? What happens then? Divorce? Or do those men remain in unhappy relationships due to their family or for financial reasons that a costly divorce would involve? How many submissive men are truly unhappy living in vanilla marriages not being fortunate to have got the response that some of the ladies in the comments and posts on here gave to their husbands? How many women, when their husbands admit their need to be dominated, end up miserable themselves because they want 'a man to be a man' in the traditional husband and wife stereotype?

    I suspect that there is a huge number of submissive men living truly miserable lives in vanilla marriages either afraid to admit their deepest needs to the most important person in their lives. Or, having revealed themselves, have had the misery of their submissive needs being rejected.

    Which is better for a submissive male? To remain single in the hope of dating a dominant woman? Or marrying a vanilla woman and hoping to 'convert' her? Is one or both selfish?

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    1. Thanks for these excellent insights...

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  7. Wow! Simply awesome post. Also a bit humiliating being compared to non-NSM.

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  8. Ms. Kaylee, As I note in my profile, I fantasized about being dominated and controlled by my wife throughout our marriage, but fumbled in my first two requests for this lifestyle change in our marriage. The third time was the charm when I finally understood that submission was not so much about my selfish fantasies, but about giving her what she wants and really putting her and her needs first. I now see that if I succeed in pleasing her that simply doing so and experiencing her approval is reward enough. Lucky for me, she finds it amusing to arouse, tease, and deny me.

    Orgasm management has completely changed our marriage. You are right that what submissive men crave (and need) is only understood by those who experience and observe it first-hand. You are very good at describing the phenomena of the submissive male psyche. Your blog is a gift to people like me. I would not trade what I have for a traditional "manly" marriage. In our house, She has the pussy, and she makes the rules, and we both wear panties! Thank you, Edwin

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  9. @UKKink,

    That's tough one. It obviously takes two to tango, and if only one partner has the desire and need for "any" of this - then what do you do? Every woman is different and everyone's relationship is different. This may be just to big of a pill for her to swallow, and many men may have to come to terms with that in some fashion or another. This isn't for everyone and it might be more then what in her mind she signed up for and you cant necessarily fault her for that. She is who she is just as you are. That's a reality that many men might have to reckon with - unfortunately, if this is where they truly want to be in their life. Once upon a time I too was the vanilla wife, and how have I arrived at being this dominant woman today who embraces my husband in his FLR needs and desires and who derives great emotional, personal and physical joy and satisfaction from it... I can only describe that as having come about through an evolutionary process. It didn't happen over night with me or him. It took many years for me to come on board with this lifestyle, and I wasn't the only one who evolved with this as well, so did he. Perhaps that statement is the key to this. If my husband all of a sudden hit me over the head with any of this while I was still that vanilla woman, I might have panicked and ran too, its very possible. But fortunately for our specific relationship, it already was a very strong and loving one before any of his FLR tendencies and needs came to light in our marriage. We already had very strong loving emotional bonds working vey positively between us, and we were able to use that as a foundation for building the relationship for where it presently is at. By easing into it with discussion, sexual play and natural progression and growth, I came into acceptance with it over time. I loved my man and while this all struck me as a bit weird, I was able to make the jump with him. First very small infrequent hops in sexual play, then more frequently in play. As trust and experience gave us both confidence, we were able to take it to each new step. It evolved from play only to a real lifestyle. Slow and easy is what won the race with me. But now that I'm here, its me who has to slow down the pace at times. I love my life and I love who I am and I very much love my husband and who he is (currently). He's a better man now, and we have a much stronger and happy relationship. This can be very scary stuff to a woman, no doubt.

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  10. If I had to summarize my greatest difficulty in reaching my present perceptions and attitudes towards the FLR lifestyle as I now live it, it would be this. FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN.

    Both of you need to ease into it, experiment with it in baby steps and BOTH development genuine pleasure and enjoyment from it. You have to make sure she has plenty of good reasons to want to try taking it to each new step and level. Whittle away at her fears through good deed and action. Woman want to be loved and woman want to be able to depend upon their partner. Do what you need to do to show her that this isn't changing that equation. You can't sell this as a take it or leave it situation. You both need to make the evolution together. Remember that your initially 30 steps ahead of her or more when you broach this subject, give her time and reason to catch up to you, she may need to catch her breath at times. Fear and uncertainty are your enemies in this. Through continued love and support, through positive and gradual experiences in your relationship, she may choose to come on board. If you do this then you will have done all that is possible. The rest truly is up to her. Hopefully she will be able to join you in this extended journey into this lifestyle. Remember, you don't have to do this exclusively as a lifestyle. For many, "part timing it", at many various levels, may be enough to scratch that occasional itch. Maybe just some occasional play in this might be enough to take you from "miserable" to satiated enough. There is much more to a happy and loving relationship than just "this FLR stuff". Make sure your judging the whole picture with balance before you say that your miserable just because this isn't totally in your life in the manner which you had envisioned it. Maybe the solution is less about her changing than you? Anyhow just food for thought. I do hope that you find what your looking for. Life and relationships are never easy and adding this to the mix certainly does add to the complexity of the equation. Be fair and patient in your expectations of her.

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  11. One last one, sorry I'm on a roll....

    If there is anyone out there who thinks FLR/WLM/Femdom any of this, how ever you want to call it, is some sort of solution to an unhappy relationship then they are truly living in fantasy. All it is, is just another layer or wrapper in the relationship. If your not currently enjoying a loving and happy relationship before FLR, then FLR isn't going to change any of that. For me personally, FLR just took my marriage from something which was already great, to something which was wonderful. It's just icing on my cake - and his. Not everyone likes icing.... Ok I really am done this time....

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  12. @AJ

    Thank you for thoughts. I found them interesting. I think you made many valid points.

    I have met submissive males who, when they confessed submissive feelings to their wives, ended up being divorced or living in miserable marriages. I once met one male who told me that his marriage became miserable for years afterwards as his wife was openly repulsed by the idea. A decade passed with the two living in misery until she admitted that her disgust came from the fact that she had her own submissive desires. He was a butch soldier and she had married him because he was outwardly a macho man.

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  13. AJ - You're saving me a lot of typing. Your comments and observations are excellent. I can simply say to everyone...listen to AJ :)

    Thanks everyone for your comments. I great to hear your perspectives.

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  14. UKkink my advice for submissive men is to take that hard step of confessing his desires to his wife as soon as possible. The longer he waits, the more he risks drifting apart from his wife.by pursuing his passion without her. A marriage should be a journey together for all things. This also involves sacrifice and compromise. The submissive who expects his wife to drop everything and cater to his every submissive desire is foolish and selfish. The wife who refuses to listen her husband is also misguided. Both husband and wife should strive to find a happy medium that works for both. I would suspect that the majority of people who have a solid marriage, will find a way to make it work. The fear of rejection is scary. It is up to the submissive to work hard to help the wife understand his needs to look for ways to make it work. In the end if it does not work, then the submissive has the hard decision to make of whether he wants to part ways or continue to sacrifice his happiness. In the end it depends on how important his submission is to him.

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  15. Mz Kaylee, your husband is so lucky to be allowed the privilege to submit to you.

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  16. I would tend to agree with Mz Kaylee on this, telling her as soon as possible would be the best manner in which to proceed with this for several reasons. First, as Kaylee indicated, that this doesn't turn into some sort of festering ulcer within you which spoils the relationship since you truly aren't happy with things "as is". Secondly, as a matter of fairness to both parties, the cards should be placed upon the table as soon as possible in case this does turn out to be some sort of obvious deal breaker. You don' want either side to invest tons of emotions and time for a relationship that is doomed from the onset, especially if there are children to be involved at some point in the relationship. I'm saying this more towards relationship which are just starting out, and where the man already knows that he has these strong tendencies and desires going into it. Don't deceive your partner from the onset, that's unforgivable, that would most likely be a deal breaker if it did come out at some much later point when it was "too late". If you have desires and tendencies which develop over time and well into the relationship, then obviously it changes the dynamic a bit. You should still most definitely communicate your needs and desires with her especially if they develop to be strong and overpowering tendencies which if left unchecked will turn you into some miserable partner and her as well.

    This said, when do you tell a woman about "yourself" especially when your first just starting out in a relationship and where you know this about yourself already? I think it would be a very interesting first date at the "Cracker Barrel" for you to come out and say "oh by the way I expect you to lock my dick up and spank me regularly". I think you would be pretty much guaranteed that for the vast majority of women, that they would take off running into "them thar hills" immediately, and you would be left with the full bill, no Dutch treat there. I think in this type of case, get at least a few dates into it, so she does have some opportunity to at least get to know you better as a person (you become a real person to her and not just her next Match date in a list of sex crazed suiters :) ) and for her to come to understand that your still a very good catch - but just with some kinks and not just the weirdo mom warned her about with the kitchen knife set. I'm trying to be a bit humorous here, but it would be tough. Sometimes the only reward with honesty, is honesty. You do have to tell her, but timing is everything. Very tough call, I would not want to be the man in that situation. I'm sure this could bring about a lot of good discussion. If this all comes later in the relationship, your desires and tendencies, I think you stand a better chance of her acceptance and buy in, especially since at that point she should know what a truly wonderful and great guy you are regardless of all else. I feel a little guilty saying this, as I sound like I'm advocating hiding the truth and staying in the closet to a much later date. This is all a very tough call and process when one partner has kinks which need a scratch and perhaps the other partner is a bit more conventional. Good discussion material.

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  17. AJ, your post makes me think, doesn’t everyone have hidden things? Probably so? Obviously in todays society there are a lot males that are aroused by dominant females. If you don’t think so, just look at lots of things in popular culture. Many individuals play dumb, but think hum? Society is changing, this blog is an example, and with these changes will be a lot more acceptance of dominant females and submissive males.
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  18. Timing is everything. Where she is at in her life should be considered. Had I told my wife when we had kids at home or when we were both immersed in professional careers, I think my chances of success would have been slim to none. In fact, the two times I attempted (both after empty nest) did not succeed because of how I asked. I made it too much about me, what I wanted, and what excited me. We have what we have now because she gives me some of what I want because I have learned that submission means she ALWAYS comes first (in more ways than one). If I had told her early in our marriage, when our priorities were raising kids, careers, financial worries, etc., I think she would have admonished me to get my priorities straight. Every marriage is different. No one else can tell you when the timing is right. Edwin

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    1. Allow me to add this: I do agree 100% that an FLR is not an antidote for a problem marriage and only works if the relationship is already strong. It takes a lot of trust for the guy to reveal his desire to submit, and it takes considerable love from her to understand. In our case, we had always enjoyed sex and been playful in this aspect of our lives. She knew from role-playing scenarios that I was aroused by her taking charge. Edwin

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  19. Edwin, timing is important, but I would suggest that you don't have to time it in between or after big swaths of life (after kids, once our careers are established, etc.). These just become excused not to bring it forward. If a submissive focuses on your second point of making it about her, then you can work it in at any time of your life. If your kids are young, your submission is about helping her raise the kids and helping keep the house clean so she gets time to relax (and go to bathroom without being interrupted by the kids!). If she is highly focused on building her career, then your submission is about supporting her and uplifting her in her career. This can include making her coffee and breakfast in the morning, making her lunch to take to work, warming her car on cold mornings, giving her massages to de-stress, and yes...cleaning the house so she can come home and relax after work.

    I think many couples make the make mistake of not allowing time for each other during these busy times of their life, and then they grow apart from each other. It is so important to approach all of life's challenges and milestones together as a couple. It is so important to carve out regular time to do talk and do things together as a couple (including some kinky fun). The WLM approach is a great way to make that happen. When my kids were young, I did not do weekly discipline sessions with Thomas because that was just not do-able. However, I established rules and expectations for him and there were consequences if he did not meet them. I tried to at least once a month spend time delving into his submissive desires. I agree with others that WLM does not solve a bad marriage but I also believe that in a healthy marriage, the WLM strengthens the relationships, keeps it from turning bad, and helps couples weather tough times and soar high during the good times.

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    1. Your point is well taken and well made, Mz Kaylee. Perhaps my view about timing is skewed because She turned me down the first two times I asked. Although She was immersed in Her career and parenting at those times, my presentation was also likely lacking. At least I am able to serve Her now! Edwin

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    2. I am glad you were persistent and it ultimately worked out for you Edwin.

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  20. Miss Kaylee, you point out many realistic thinks submissive guys can do to change the dynamic in a marriage. As my wife told me, it was my actions that lead her to believe I wanted and enjoyed this life style. It was the cleaning, running errands, foot rubbing, and other actions over time that made the difference. The conversation wasn’t that hard after months of pampering, in fact she knew at that moment. Her response was well you can give me a pedi when you finish the bathrooms. It’s really not that complicated, if you treat her like a Queen she will become accustomed to ruling.
    MrLois

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    1. So true MrLois. Great advice.

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    2. I agree with most points, in fact I encourage my wife to give me more housework, to tease me and make sure her pleasure comes before mine.
      But, as a couple, we have also considered the medical advice on prostate cancer and the benefits of male ejaculation.
      She allows me one or two a week; of course one of my many duties is making sure she gets all she wants.

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  21. Thank you all for the responses to my post. I have read them all several times. Much to take on board. The sad reality I think is that there is a large number of males, either married or single, who will never find a Mistress. There are also, I suspect, a lot of women who would adore a FLR aspect to their marriage or relationship but who simply do not know of how a FLR empowers and benefits them. Maybe in another life.

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    1. So true. My hope is that my blog will help others understand FLR and see the benefits, so that they can truly embrace it instead of being afraid to explore what they really want deep down.

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  22. For me it was obvious early in the relationship and long before we married that my wife would not just be open to an FLR relationship but love being served and that she would understand the benefits that she would be receiving from the lifestyle. If you have a relationship with real communication, you probably will also know if your wife would enjoy an FLR marriage and if so - go for it ! You won’t be sorry.

    If you do not have that level of communication about sex, I think it is unlikely that your wife would respond favorably to it and best to avoid it or try and and address it in a different way because it could seriously impair your relationship if you raise it someone you cannot even communicate with about sex.

    At least this was my experience - first marriage -communication about sex was not easy and me bringing it hon and needing FLR to be truly fulfilled led to divorce . My current marriage - communication about sex was easy from day 1 and after exploring each other’s fantasies, we landed with our FLR and both of us are very happy with its benefits

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  23. Question - Does a FLR/FLM have to be humiliating to the man? Are they catered to the men who enjoy being humiliated and should those of us men who find humiliation to be a huge "off limits" find another relationship style and just deal with the fact that a FLR/FLM can not be a positive uplifting relationship style that has no humiliation (inside or outside the home/bedroom)? An inquiring minds.

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    1. In my own Wife Led Marriage (WLM), I don't recall any times that my wife has utilized humiliation, either in front of her in the house, nor in front of any third parties outside the house.

      From my observations and accounts from other couples, there are certainly many men in FLR's/WLM's who do find humiliation to be highly erotic: (1) The power that the woman can yield to create the humiliation is erotic; (2) The feeling of humiliation inside the man can be erotic.

      There are also many men, like myself, and FLR's where neither party finds it erotic or dis/empowering.

      I think most members of this forum would agree that couples should build their own relationships to fit their individual and joint circumstances, through open and extensive communication. I'm sure Mz Kaylee, AJ and the many other women here, would agree with this, regardless of their personal relationships.

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    2. TYPO CORRECTION:

      That should have read "[P]ower that the woman can wield . . .

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    3. I would like to ask an additional question to yours. How does the dominant woman keep her man's self esteem and mental health in tact? It seems like these are in a fragile state in many femdom FLRs. Marc in the Great Lakes country.

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    4. Nothing about an FLR is humiliating to me—it’s liberating, in fact. Far from endangering my self-esteem, it’s been great for me—I’ve never liked myself so much.

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    5. Hi "Anonymous October 13, 2022 at 2:16 PM:"

      When posters use a "pair of initials," or anonymous "non de plume," attached to their posts, it make conversing here much easier and coherent.

      "Self Esteem?" Well, I think it depends upon how your define that.

      Does it arise from your own accomplishments and known self-worth? I don't think anything about an FLR would/should change this.

      However, does the "self esteem" arise from feelings of "male entitlement" arising from disfunctional aspects of the surrounding patriarchal culture; does it arise from an "overinflated male ego?" In such cases, I believe, and I think most female leaders in FLR's would agree, it is certainly appropriate to "deflate" these harmful "attitudes and beliefs," and replace them through enhancement of true self-esteem based upon your true worth (in society and in your FLR).

      Of course, this is just my opinion.

      Might any of our wise FLR leaders care to expand upon this?

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  24. Really enjoyed readthis blog and agreed with much of it - except the founding premise of NSM (that some men are submissive and others are not). I'm in a FLR and loving it, and my Queen employs many of the tactics you mention and they work well (indeed I am happy to tell her what does and does not work). The problem is, I never felt or acted "submissive" before. My Queen understood chastity and FLR from a pro domme friend and always dreamed of it, but they both concluded it would never work on me. And it wasn't easy. It took her years to patiently, but deliberately, get me attracted to this. Now caged, I worship her and the feeling is fantastic, but if I am free for a while the old alpha/macho me starts creeping back in and I really dont want to submit. Neither of us believe I am naturally submissive, but rather that I have been helped to tap into feelings that probably exist deep down in most males (not to mention a whole stew of happy hormones).

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    1. Thank you for sharing this. My husband is naturally submissive, so that's what I know best. I enjoy and appreciate hearing the perspective of those who were brought into the lifestyle by their wife or girlfriend. I hope to hear more from you and from other men that were introduced to the lifestyle by their wife/gf. I would like to learn more of how it happened and how it is going. Please feel free to submit a guest post about your experience. I think it would bring fantastic new insights to the readers of this blog.

      I was not implying that Non-NSMs could not be submissive. What I was trying to point out is that NSMs are consumed by the desire to be controlled. It is almost like a need for them. They are happiest when they are controlled and dominated. Those that put down the lifestyle and who see the control as a bad thing don't understand this dynamic.

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    2. You are correct in that naturally submissive males are consumed by the desire to be controlled by there wife or girl friend. The control and domination of the male is like a form of affection that the female bestows on them. It’s a feeling of being attached to her in a very deep way. Yes, to some it seems as though it’s “bad”, but everyone desires and needs different things. To each there own, it’s not one size fits all. It’s rather funny that people get so stung out about females controlling males when the opposite has been true since the beginning of time.

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  25. Dear Mz Kaylee:

    I'm requesting assistance with two items.

    (1) I posted a response to "AnonymousOctober 11, 2022 at 5:47 PM" at approximately "October 11, 2022 at 9:43 PM." That response was apparently "eaten" by the Google Spam Monster. Could you check that response, and repost if you believe it is appropriate?

    (2) My wife would like to talk with you about her submitting an essay for posting on your blog. Is your email address posted somewhere on your blog? Is there another way to establish off-blog communications.

    (Please delete this post when you have evaluated my questions.)

    Thanks, -- Donn

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    1. Look under the Profile Template on the right for Mz Kaylee’s email. You may also want to complete the template while there. Edwin

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    2. Thanks! (That was the last place I would have looked.)

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    3. Not sure why, but a lot of comments ended up in spam. I cleared out the spam folder so you should see your comments now. My e-mail address is mzkaylee101@gmail.com.

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  26. With me, it’s simple: I admire women and, partly because of an early experience, female authority is erotic to me.

    That being said, I’m not sure I could do this with anyone. My wife and I were close without an FLR, plus she invested (I can see now) a fair amount of time early in our marriage getting into my head. We dabbled in female domination for years, but the FLR didn’t take off until I let go of my fantasies to focus on her *and* she realized that an FLR could be fun. Her confidence in herself and trust in me (and mine in her) increased slowly at first and then rapidly until the FLR took on a life of its own. Both of us feel that we’re better for it as individuals and as a couple.

    BTW and FWIW, we’ve a contract to be very helpful.

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  27. Anonymous, can you share your contract?

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  28. Dear Mz Kaylee and other:

    Slightly off-topic post, but I thought this recent mainstream article on soft-FLR's might be interesting to the community. It appears in today's Slate:

    "www.slate.com/business/2022/10/stay-at-home-dads-leaning-out.html"

    What are your thoughts?

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    1. FWIW:

      (1) "Slate" has a "paywall" for non-subscribers.

      (2) However, you can access the entire article if you switch your web-browser to "Reader Mode" (e.g., Firefox).

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  29. How have other older men with ED been able to deal with their ED symptoms while being in a FLR? Do you find it easier to cope with the symptoms/problems because she is in charge of calling what is done sexually? Or do you have more anxiety but can't express them because her needs come first? How do you deal with infrequent to no erections? If you are in orgasm denial how do you deal with the situation of not being able to enjoy your release because you can't "get it up" and are flaccid on your release? An ED sufferer who is looking for a non medical help.

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  30. I feel I was born submissive my mother was dominant and my 3 older sisters also , I was always under the authority of women my whole life , the best example of my childhood being a sub when my mother punished me she’d call my sisters in the room she strip me naked in front of my sisters and I couldn’t hide anything it was humiliating then she whip my ass with a belt while my sisters watched and they really enjoyed the show but afterwards I always felt really good it was like I paid for my sins I felt clean good hard punishment has a cleansing effect on a sub , I love dominant women and naturally I married a dominant woman and we always had an FL R marriage but soon after my wife felt and I did to that if we were going to live this femdom lifestyle that the only way to go was to turn our marriage into a TPE ( total power exchange ) that means no rights safe words I wanted to take it all the way and the first thing that must be understood this is no a negotiation she took everything off me she owns me in this relationship I don’t give it she takes it it’s not some kind of deal like I’ll do this or I won’t do that I have NO RIGHTS none and of course this involves chastity and cuckolding and my wife Loves Afro American men the best she always been with black men sexually since her 30 year old black lover took her cherry at age 14 and marriage hasn't slowed her lust for bbc , she goes to a club that’s just for white women and black men she taken me there before and for humiliating me but now I completely accept it and my wife told a lot of white wife’s feel the same way as her but they’re afraid to let people know it but not my lovely wife she enjoys people knowing she has black lovers and she loves people to know she married to me , she dated a lot of different black men but now she’s settled down with one lover Master Micheal and if I had any doubt about black men sexual superiority well I just had to see Master’s 9 inch beautiful fat black cock buried in my wife’s lovely pussy And watch how he turned her into an orgasm machine she can’t get enough of him , me I’m in chastity and when the master allows it he holds my mini cage key he gives it to my wife she gives me a ruined orgasm I lick up my cum she washes my dicklet up and back in the cage , they are teaching me to worship black dicks and now I must say I love Masters dick I clean it after he fucks my wife and I suck the cum out of my wife’s pussy after their love making , I have no rights a black man has taken my wife and she gave him control over me and my cock it’s hard for anyone who is not in a femdom TPE cuckold marriage to understand it I love it i feel so good clean and I’m punished with a riding crop regularly and I know it’s all for my own good I happy with my place and I’m proud of my Master and Mistress and they demand respect from me a i’m more then willing to abide by all their decisions I worship my Master and Mistress thank you slave cc

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  31. Does a FLR require that you be a Slave and relinquish all your rights to your wife/girlfriend? Does the ideal FLR have zero boundaries? Does a FLR require TPE? Does an ideal FLM require the husband be a cuckold? I haven't seen a lot of posts stating other arrangements. I actually have not seen a major feature on a relationship that is for the most part pretty "vanilla" except that she leads. If that is a possibility then why isn't it ever talked about? Why isn't it even brought up as an alternative? Just some questions because of the nature of the last several posts from today.

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  32. This is slave cc and if your referring to me , I love my dominant wife and the way our marriage grew was she loves to be sexually free she’s a woman that can love more then one person at a time but she needs a primary relationship that’s someone who no matter what she does what ever happens he’s there I’m her rock in a way a natural submissive guy who loves her with all his heart and supports her no matter what she does and it’s a relationship that really satisfies our needs , my wife at times well she can get very sadistic and I’m a masochist so it’s a match made in heaven or hell lol guess it’s how you see it and she always wants to push the boundaries and I encourage it I don’t ever stand in her way, some people in the lifestyle just don’t understand it, they see her as cruel and mean or like she doesn’t care about me but that’s not true , my wife made our dreams come true she cares for me very much and We are on this journey together without me it doesn’t work for her she gets off fucking me over dominating me as much as possible and I love it too, she loves Afro American men in bed and I’ve seen her making love with young black guys with cocks down to their knees before and she has such orgasms she’s like a force of nature now how could I in all fairness stand in her way, she’s like perfect for me I’m very happy she’s my soul mate and she can do what ever she wants to me bring into are life’s who ever she wants and I’ll love her for it she is everything I can ask for in a wife my owner and I don’t really give a shit if people don’t understand I’m just happy she owns me shes my Goddess I worship her and her lovers that’s how she trained me that’s whats important to me we have a TPE marriage I’m owned and grateful she choose to own me thank you, slave cc PS my owner tells me to write these posts and we have been married and in-this lifestyle for 20 years and also she approves of these posts before I click on publish

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  33. Slave CC - Sounds very extreme to me. It's not the type of relationship I would ever want with my husband, but if it works for you, then that's great. So far you've just shared a lot of kink in sex. Is there more to your relationship than that? I would love to hear more about your daily life outside of the sex. Do you work? How are you around family and friends? Do you vacation together and have fun non-kink times? Do you have kids or plan to have kids? I can't imagine raising kids with a lifestyle like that.

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  34. MzKaylee, we aren’t raising kids and that’s always the problem when we share our story , most of the couples on these FLR sites are more traditional family people that are just switching the head of the family from the husband to the wife and I’m not being critical of their life styles at all please to each his own and it’s true we are extreme if your comparing us to the Waltons or a 1950’s family lol we want our life style to be more then a jerk off fantasy, we do have to cool it for jobs and when we are dealing with the straight world we aren’t holding up signs saying hey pervs over here! lol but what I have is complete love and trust in my owner and that really opens me up to her dominant and somewhat sadistic ways , I’m a submissive masochist and I love her for being who she is and I want her to be as free as possible and ultimately satisfied i want her to have her way with me always no arguments, I don’t see that as a bad thing, the other thing that freaks out married couples and it especially threatens white husbands is my wife’s personal preference for having black lovers, my owner met other married women who live vanilla life’s but have black lovers on the side , there’s quite a bit of interracial cuckolding going on these days and the club were my wife goes is all white women and black men and a large number of married women and of course so many young snow bunnies my owner said the younger white girls are going black in large numbers these days and The club does get quite a big crowd on Friday and Saturday nights , I’d just like to say we are extreme that’s right extremely happy we bared our souls to each other we know each other’s deepest darkest secrets , it’s all out in the open between us and knowing each other so well and the strict female domination that we live it worked out perfectly for us ,my owner says this is really an exercise in futility trying to explain our marriage and her approval is necessary for these posts before I’m allowed To click on publish just thought I’d mention that , thank you so much respectfully yours slave cc

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  35. After reading some of these posts in this article and other ones, I am wondering how a submissive husband can be a father figure to their children? If they are humiliated where the children might see or hear the action, how can he face the children let alone be a parent after their children see/hear such a scene? I would think a rebellious teen could take quite a bit advantage of the submissive father maybe even to the point of even "blackmailing" him. I just see too many bad things happening especially if the dominant wife acts recklessly and if she doesn't take great care to build him up in front of the kids especially showing them he is an authority figure in their lives even though she is the head of the family.

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    1. Okay...a little common sense here. I am not going to use my husband as a footstool in front of the kids. I mean really? Submission does not mean weakness. Submission is not bad. My husband is more of a man than most of the guys I know. So many people I know are getting divorced or are unhappy in their marriage. My relationship with my husband is stronger than ever and we have a blast together. We have two grown kids who are solid good kids, who respect their father. They see a Dad who cares deeply about his wife, who goes out if his way to treat her nicely. For them it is normal for Dad to be cleaning and ironing and doing whatever it takes to take care of the family. They see a Mom who is in charge of the household and who cares deeply about her husband and will also do whatever is needed to take care of the family. They see loving parents who have fun together, and who are open with communication and rarely ever arguing with each other. I can only hope that my kids end up in a relationship as loving as my husband and I.

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    2. Are you telling me your kids don't ask questions when your husband is not allowed to use the master bedroom's bathroom? When he has to ask permission to enter the master bedroom? Are you saying you never do your weekly review sessions when they are in the house! Do you ever discipline your husband when they are home? In most homes there is not a room that is soundproof enough to hide a spanking given to a husband.
      Don't your kids ever question why daddy doesn't get treated like their friends dads? When their friends come over what do they say about what they see? I know when my kids were growing up they would pick up in any abnormal situations. They would quickly pick up if it appears the parents were not acting as equals (one was not able to stand up for themselves).

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    3. We'll you've made inaccurate assumptions about things that I have done and the notion that a submissive man can not stand up for himself is false too. The short answer is none of your concerns have ever been an issue because we are discreet and use common sense when it comes to the more kinky things. Tell me, how many of your kids friends have divorced parents? How many have a dad that is never home or parents that argue in front of them or parents that scream at their kids in front of other kids? Is that normal? See my reply above. That is what people see when they come to my house and that is pretty awesome if you ask me.

      If you want to continue to discuss this then include a name with your comments.

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    4. The name is Tom. The reason I mentioned he was not allowed in the master bedroom (and inferred the master bathroom) was your articles about this on July 18 and follow up on August 1. By the way I was on this site to gather information for a situation a close friend was in and I am trying to help him out (from getting taken advantage of in my opinion in a bad way). When I was married (before my late wife passed away) we had my kids friends over all the time and we tried to the best of our abilities to create a kind environment. We showed a united front in front of the kids (and thus in front of their friends). Both of us had "full" rights to any room in the house and the kids knew that. If one parent was denied access to the master bedroom they would definitely know this. If they would see this at a friend's house they would know something was not right at their friends house. They would most likely not want to spend time over there. They didn't have problems with friends who had parents who were divorced and living in separate homes because these parents (at least in front of us and our kids) their disagreements away from our kids view. So where I have heartburn is when one parent is treated as "second class" especially in front of the children. I believe both the husband and wife have important contributions to the family. In many TPE situations I feel that the contributions of one person is greatly ignored and unappreciated. This especially comes up when the one party is humiliated and given the impression they are worthless. And I am especially sensitive when a friend has feelings of despair and worthlessness (I picked up on him feeling "henpecked" really bad right now). I hate to say traditional marriage is good because I like equal Led marriages better, but my kids friends from traditional marriages have their parents together for the most part while the others are "hit or miss".
      As a widower I struggle on the type of woman I want as a second long term partner. Do I want a more traditional one or more modern one? But I don't want to end up like my friend.

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  36. Thank you Tom for providing some background and context. Instead of trying to understand the different relationships you seem to be focused on finding what is wrong with them. When you take the approach your only absorbing what you want to hear and you are missing the small important details and misinterpreting information. Let me point out those details that you missed or got wrong: 1) I don't even have a master bathroom. 2) My post was about requiring my husband to get approval to enter the master bedroom and not denying him access. It's a much different perspective.3) My post was about what I wanted to do and not what I have done. The importance of this is that my kids are grown and out of the house now so the kid thing is not factor for me anymore. 4) I am in WLM and not a TPE. A TPE is very different and not something I advocate for. 5) There are many posts on my blog about the relationship part of WLM and every day aspects of WLM. You've chosen to ignore those.

    These are all important details that you are not hearing and therefore not understanding the real picture. It is also interesting how you are normalizing divorce. Parents who are in an unhappy relationship and on the path to divorce create a toxic environment for children and most divorcees that I know are spiteful towards their ex, and this can not be hidden from kids no matter how hard they try. A WLM is the complete opposite. There is love and trust between the two partners. The husband willing yields and serves his wife. The wife controls him with love, taking into consideration his needs and desires. When we are around others, I am not humiliating him or talking down to him. In fact I am usually telling people how awesome he is because he puts gas in my car for me, pampers me, and makes coffee for me every morning. He is not embarrassed by this because he enjoys pleasing me and treating me like a Goddess.

    If you truly want to understand WLM/FLR the you need to read about it with the intent of understanding it and not with trying to find what is wrong with it or thinking about the what if scenarios. Every relationship has "what if" scenarios. Certainly if the wife abuses her power, then there are going to be issues with the WLM. In the end, just like any type of relationship, the success of the relationship comes down to both partners being compatible partners and trusting and loving each other. Without all three of those components, there is going to be issues. If all three of those components are present, then the relationship will flourish.

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